Straight wall cartridges in slug gun counties

hammer · Dec 29, 2019

I just read in the Midwest states that have slug gun only counties, have adopted new regulations.

They are allowing straight wall cartridges that have a effective range of under 200 yards.

Examples of straight wall cartridges would be the Winchester 350 legend and the 450 bushmaster.

With the advancements of slug guns and inline muzzleloaders , that can be made to be accurate to 200 plus yards. I think this could be adopted here in Maryland.

How would we go about submitting this suggestion and to what agencies. Is it DNR, or local government, congressman, delegate.

I think this could be made to work in Maryland, especially on the shore. My reasoning for wanting this regulation addition is because these cartridges offer much less recoil than slugs.

I have a artificial shoulder and it can't handle the high recoil of most slug guns and inclines. Would also be beneficial to youth hunters and women.

Ammo is very cheap , but effective in putting down deer. You can shoot these guns a lot and not brake the bank, which would help most hunters be more accurate hunters.

I love to hear your ideas and thoughts on the subject.

Mark75H · Dec 29, 2019

DNR and delegate

danb · Dec 29, 2019

I suggested this in another thread and the consensus was DOA in MD. It makes too much sense. The reality is that 300 blk has about the same ballistics and would also make sense on this list.

Anything that achieves less than 2300fps and more than 1200ft lbs should be acceptable in the "shotgun" zones, regardless of cartridge shape.

hammer · Dec 29, 2019

They could trial test it in one of the less populated counties on the shore for example. Maybe something like what they did with crossbows, when a doctor's note was needed to hunt with. There plenty of options to test it.

If it works in Midwest slug counties, no reason it can't work here. What's the difference.

Mark75H · Dec 29, 2019

hammer said:
They could trial test it in one of the less populated counties on the shore for example. Maybe something like what they did with crossbows, when a doctor's note was needed to hunt with. There plenty of options to test it.

If it works in Midwest slug counties, no reason it can't work here. What's the difference.

The difference is Maryland. In Maryland there is no intersection between logic and firearms law.

danb · Dec 29, 2019

Less populated areas already allow rifles. The trial would have to be some shotgun-only area in Central MD, or one of the MoCo/HoCo/AACo county managed hunts. The politics are simply not favorable. Heck, even though MoCo (and other counties) have a mere 50 yard safety zone for archery, the politics in HoCo do not favor reducing the zone from 150 yds to 50 yds. It took Rockville 10 years to allow bow hunting.

hammer · Dec 29, 2019

Danb queen Anne's , Kent, Talbot are also slug only. Could do a trial one central county and a shore county.

Mark, I agree with you 1000% . Maryland makes no sense. If it wasn't for family I'd be long gone.

slsc98 · Dec 29, 2019

Another example of Midwestern clear thinking ... and logic ... YOU‘LL LIKELY NEVER SEE in the United Socialist Republik of Md-Stan

danb · Dec 29, 2019

slsc98 said:
Another example of Midwestern clear thinking ... and logic ... YOU‘LL LIKELY NEVER SEE in the United Socialist Republik of Md-Stan

I fail to see how "straight walled cartridges" are an example of clear thinking and logic. Or maybe you have some clear thinking why 300 blk and 7.62x39 should be excluded?

slsc98 · Dec 29, 2019

It makes too much sense for MD bureaucrats and legislators to comprehend ... Comprende’, now?

danb · Dec 29, 2019

Nope, I still dont see how "straight walled cartridges " are an example of "midwestern clear thinking." Clear thinking would be something like: any cartridge which achieves less than 2300fps at the muzzle and more than 1200ft lbs.

But if MD DNR approves it, make no mistake I will be the first to get a 350 legend upper.

hammer · Dec 29, 2019

Not sure of the ballistics of the 300 blk out and 7.62, but do they less or more energy than straight walls. You have to draw a line for minimum acceptable energy to ethically take big game. Not to mention that they are necked rounds. It should also be limited to bolt action rifles. You can have unethical hunters spraying and praying, and we'd lose what we've gained. There has to be exclusions , you have to draw the line somewhere.

danb · Dec 29, 2019

350 legend: 150 grain bullet at 2325 fps, 1800 ft-lbs energy.

300 blk, 7.62x39 and 30-30 are all very similar to 350 legend speed- wise with a 125 grain bullet.

The minimum energy in MD is 1200 ft lbs by regulation ( 700 for handguns) - all these pass that easily.

hammer · Dec 30, 2019

I'd have to vote for bolt action only. I don't want some yahoo firing off rounds haphazardly playing rambo around homes.

I had a yahoo from hazard county hunting small acreage behind my house with a slug gun. He was 50 yards from businesses and homes. Less than 100 yards from the road. Hunting on the ground shooting at a little deer in the direction of my house.

That's what you'll get putting multiple rounds in the air. That scares me. Thank God that lug nut didn't have a semi auto.

hammer · Dec 30, 2019

Another story ( I'm high jacking my own thread) I'm gun hunting tuckahoe and this yahoo cowboy is shooting all over. He finally comes by me and I asked him what the f$$k are you doing . His answer , " I'm driving deer ". Never will gun hunt tuckahoe during gun season. Its these idiots that scare the living hell out of me. I'd quit hunting if they got to run around the woods with ar's in slug counties.

Sorry I'm sure ar's are your hobby and I'm sure your responsible and proficient, but for every guy like you there's 5 that aren't.

delaware_export · Dec 30, 2019

Delaware did this and several in our crew were running ?450?

Basically tc’s iirc. I think they also said “no semi auto” but I didn’t read the regs in that myself.

Doesn’t seem to be a problem and Delaware always shotgun only for so many years.

Scottysan · Dec 30, 2019

It's a beautiful pipe dream...and it does make sense

But will probably have trouble finding traction here in MD

Looking forward to moving to America again!

Biggfoot44 · Dec 30, 2019

This thread is presumably refering to the Indiana model , where by certain rifle ctgs of certain dimensions and performance are the aproximate analog of being treated similar to shotgun with slugs .

The Mississippi model is certain rifles being treated as " Primative Weapons " aka muzzleloaders . Off the top of my head , single shot rifles of pre- 1900 design -ish ( NEF singles specifically approved ) , with straight wall ctgs of certain dimensions .

John from MD · Dec 30, 2019

I think you should approach the MD Rifle and Pistol Association. They can interface with the DNR biologists who will do the study and recommend the rule changes. You may have to supply a test gun as the State isn't going to go out and buy one.

parttimer · Dec 30, 2019

hammer said:
I'd have to vote for bolt action only. I don't want some yahoo firing off rounds haphazardly playing rambo around homes.
.

I support the second amendment BUT...........

Stuff like this is how we keep loosing our rights little by little.
Maybe next you can tell us a few stories that will support magazine size limits also.

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