LEOSA instead of MD CCP?

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    Ultimate Member
    Feb 23, 2010
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    I've already submitted to dc first off .
    Leosa is federally mandated but each state can enforce there own regulations on the matter
    Ammo,off limit places, and magazine capacity.

    Under leosa Federally you can't have over 10 round magazine or Carry on public school.

    But Maryland protect you under there regulations ,so you can be a visitor to a student of the school if you have you credentials in open view.

    Maryland has no Stance on over 10 round mags being carried. But if you choose to carry over 10 round you are violating leosa federally,but are with in the scope of Maryland laws.

    And as far as 2 year prior I had military cid, counter intelligence,and mp in my class we where the first group of military leosa in maryland .

    Your lack of understanding of A) How federal, state, and local laws work and B) What LEOSA limits you on is obvious.

    You have been given some poor advice and obviously haven't taken the time to gain the knowledge on your own.
     

    Blaster229

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    Sep 14, 2010
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    Glen Burnie
    Your lack of understanding of A) How federal, state, and local laws work and B) What LEOSA limits you on is obvious.

    You have been given some poor advice and obviously haven't taken the time to gain the knowledge on your own.
    Another thing he doesn't understand is that there is no "Federal LEOSA" and ", Maryland LEOSA".
    Again stemming from him mistakenly being issued LEOSA. Again I'll say 2 years before DOD was included.

    This is the best Trainwreck thread ever on the forum I do believe.
     

    GoldGunsGirls

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    May 30, 2012
    230
    Rockville
    There is nothing in LEOSA stating you can't have over 10 round magazines. You do have to respect any magazine restriction within the state...MD law doesn't restrict possession. I've qualified with two local sheriffs offices and neither have said anything about the fact I was using a G19 with 15 round magazines. I routinely carry same G19 with 15 round magazines in MD. If I know I'm going to DC, NJ, NY or anywhere else with capacity restrictions for use and carry, I go with my Walther PPS (7-8 round).

    FYI, New Jersey is a 15 round state. You can bring and carry your G19 with standard 15 round mags without a worry.
     

    cjroman

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    Apr 4, 2012
    368
    Calvert County
    FYI, New Jersey is a 15 round state. You can bring and carry your G19 with standard 15 round mags without a worry.

    That is true...I think I was lumping NJ in because of the hollow point matter...and last time I went to NJ and carried, I was also going to NY so it was a Walther PPS trip. Maybe I just need to get the revolver as well.

    And yes, agree with Blaster229...this thread has become a train wreck.
     

    BradMacc82

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    Aug 17, 2011
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    Eh, become more of a dumpster fire IMO.

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    hit3961

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    There is nothing in LEOSA stating you can't have over 10 round magazines. You do have to respect any magazine restriction within the state...MD law doesn't restrict possession. I've qualified with two local sheriffs offices and neither have said anything about the fact I was using a G19 with 15 round magazines. I routinely carry same G19 with 15 round magazines in MD. If I know I'm going to DC, NJ, NY or anywhere else with capacity restrictions for use and carry, I go with my Walther PPS (7-8 round).

    The assertion you can carry under LEOSA as a "Retired" officer on MD public school property with credentials in plain view is incorrect. FSA 2013 now restricts this to active LEO, with credentials in view. Any provision for retired/separated carrying in a school under LEOSA was taken out and has been not in COMAR since 2013. Prior to October 1, 2013 carry by "Qualified Retired " LEO under LEOSA was allowed on MD school property...
    http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmStatutesText.aspx?article=gcr&section=4-102&ext=html&session=2015RS&tab=subject5
    §4–102.

    (a) This section does not apply to:

    (1) a law enforcement officer in the regular course of the officer’s duty;

    (2) an off–duty law enforcement officer who is a parent, guardian, or visitor of a student attending a school located on the public school property, provided that:

    (i) the officer is displaying the officer’s badge or credential; and

    (ii) the weapon carried or possessed by the officer is concealed;

    (3) a person hired by a county board of education specifically for the purpose of guarding public school property;

    (4) a person engaged in organized shooting activity for educational purposes; or

    (5) a person who, with a written invitation from the school principal, displays or engages in a historical demonstration using a weapon or a replica of a weapon for educational purposes.

    (b) A person may not carry or possess a firearm, knife, or deadly weapon of any kind on public school property.

    (c) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2) of this subsection, a person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 3 years or a fine not exceeding $1,000 or both.

    (2) A person who is convicted of carrying or possessing a handgun in violation of this section shall be sentenced under Subtitle 2 of this title.


    There are several advantages to LEOSA...research should be done by each person who uses it to ensure where they may travel they aren't in violation of any state provisions. For example, my son had baseball tournaments this summer in North and South Carolina. With LEOSA under NC law I could still carry in parks and recreation facilities that were marked as "No Firearms Allowed" under NC CCW law, and even carry on school property. However, in SC, even with LEOSA, I had to abide by all posted signs.

    House bill 1032
    Revised this provision
    http://foplodge4.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Maryland-HB1032-Weapons-on-School-Property.pdf

    All my info might not be correct I can learn more but I am legal.
     

    cjroman

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    Apr 4, 2012
    368
    Calvert County
    House bill 1032
    Revised this provision
    http://foplodge4.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Maryland-HB1032-Weapons-on-School-Property.pdf

    All my info might not be correct I can learn more but I am legal.

    Interesting...However the section I quoted was from the 2017 Laws of MD and it isn't consistent with what was shown in 2015...It would be interesting to know the straight answer on this.

    Here is another reference I found supporting the ability of retired under LEOSA to carry in schools...I can't believe the MDGA reversed it and allow it again...
    https://govt.westlaw.com/mdc/Docume...)#co_anchor_ID9EB6E90831011E7B74F88FEB449C307
     

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