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Old February 26th, 2018, 10:02 PM #11
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Shotgun with a bean bag in it?

Not based on the white trail exiting the perp at the very end. Looks to be on the way to bleeding out.

That said, I would not have taken that shot.
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Old February 26th, 2018, 10:18 PM #12
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For years I have been saying you have to close the distance(especially when the threat is moving) to make accurate critical shots. Speed, surprise and violence of action.

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Watch a few times, different parts and distances. Especially look at his foot work.

The classic Hostage taker stance. At about 25 second mark, the cop speeds to close the gap, the bad guy never expects the cop to shoot, and then he was violently shot. 9 at night as well.
This is all part of the mindset of being in the fight, having nothing else in your life matter other than staying alive and taking care of business.

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Yeah, slowed down the vid to look at the last couple of seconds, and as you said, the foot work was excellent. He circled the pair counter clockwise with the hostage leaning on the left front of the attacker, who was holding a gun with his right hand. As soon as the officer had a clean, close bead on the guy's head, he didn't hesitate.

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Old February 26th, 2018, 10:20 PM #13
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Of course here in MD, your duty to retreat complicates the urge to close.
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Old February 26th, 2018, 10:21 PM #14
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Is there a situation where you wouldn't want to close the distance? ...
Sure, if you're in the Broward County Sheriff's department. In that case, you wait for the real police.

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Of course here in MD, your duty to retreat complicates the urge to close.
The hostage cannot retreat. Self defense of others is legal.
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Old February 26th, 2018, 10:37 PM #16
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Is there a situation where you wouldn't want to close the distance? For example, you're pretty proficient with a gun, the threat clearly isn't. You're caught in the open without nearby cover to move to. Would something like this make it more beneficial to maintain distance, with the assumption that you're skill over the bad guy gives you an advantage at distance, or is closing just all around going to be advantageous?
No cover for the hostage. This scenario you have to go save a life.

No hostage, then you can get into a classic duck behind a car trunk shoot out.

At distance, no need to close the gap. Lob rounds at each other from 50 yards all you want. Without hitting any bystanders of course.

Me personally, unless he's shooting at me, I'm probably not engaging outside of 20 yards.
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I'm taking from that at least as much a lesson to move for better angle , than closing per se .
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Closing enabled him to get the angle, and up close. The officer used the hostage as an obstruction in the field of vision of the hostage taker when rushing forward. After closing the gap, he quickly circled to the hostage taker's exposed strong side.

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Shotgun with a bean bag in it?

Impressive and ballsy in any case.
It looks like a bean bag bounced off his head
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I'm taking from that at least as much a lesson to move for better angle , than closing per se .
Can't do both eh?
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