So are you ok with it if it's free?
If you are who you say you are it's really easy to prove.
It could be made very easy to get a voters ID. Easier than voting in a lot of cases.
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So are you ok with it if it's free?
If you are who you say you are it's really easy to prove.
It could be made very easy to get a voters ID. Easier than voting in a lot of cases.
abean4187
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- Apr 16, 2013
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Well, free is a different situation. I haven’t thought about a free system too much but I do understand the need to work against voter fraud. If a fair unrestrictive system could be put into place I wouldn’t see the unconstitutionality of it.
I just oppose ideas like the North Carolina one which is being designed specifically to restrict voting.
Jim Sr
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November 6, 2013
Ken Cuccinelli's suprisingly close race for Virginia governor has Tea Party Republicans steaming about a lack of support from the national party. Few Republicans in Washington gave Cuccinelli a chance in the race and most big money men kept their checkbooks closed.
Haides
Ultimate Member
It could and should be free. If not, I agree with you.
That's one nut job, not "a lot of people."
By that logic, laws against murder are "dictating morality" and thus not the government's responsibility.
Victory or Death
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- Jul 6, 2012
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Don't remember the Sandra Fluke issue do you? beyond that, the mere notion somehow republicans want to take away contraceptives is what we hear in every election. While I don't agree with RightNYer on women voting, I do agree the fact that these issues are even present, let alone deciding factors in elections, in the national discussion show how dangerous of times we live in.
Hopalong
Man of Many Nicknames
I'm disgusted by the turn this thread has taken.
Some of you are taking the very same arguments that the gun control crowd apply to us and our right to keep and bear arms and applying them to other rights for other people. We sue the state of Maryland over requiring a license to exercise one right, yet it's okay for other people to require a license to exercise a different right? How is that not hypocrisy?
As people who have had our rights eroded and are fighting to get them back, I'd assume that we'd have more sympathy for the rights of others. I guess I was wrong.
Rights are rights. We don't get to pick and choose which ones we stand up for. We have to protect them all, even the ones we don't like. That's what we're asking the gun control crowd to do with us, right?
Some of you are taking the very same arguments that the gun control crowd apply to us and our right to keep and bear arms and applying them to other rights for other people. We sue the state of Maryland over requiring a license to exercise one right, yet it's okay for other people to require a license to exercise a different right? How is that not hypocrisy?
As people who have had our rights eroded and are fighting to get them back, I'd assume that we'd have more sympathy for the rights of others. I guess I was wrong.
Rights are rights. We don't get to pick and choose which ones we stand up for. We have to protect them all, even the ones we don't like. That's what we're asking the gun control crowd to do with us, right?
So you agree that women are myopic and too emotional to use good judgment, but don't agree that they should be denied the right to vote? How do you reconcile those?
I'm disgusted by the turn this thread has taken.
Some of you are taking the very same arguments that the gun control crowd apply to us and our right to keep and bear arms and applying them to other rights for other people. We sue the state of Maryland over requiring a license to exercise one right, yet it's okay for other people to require a license to exercise a different right? How is that not hypocrisy?
As people who have had our rights eroded and are fighting to get them back, I'd assume that we'd have more sympathy for the rights of others. I guess I was wrong.
Rights are rights. We don't get to pick and choose which ones we stand up for. We have to protect them all, even the ones we don't like. That's what we're asking the gun control crowd to do with us, right?
You are confusing "identification" with "license." Proving who you say you are is far different than requiring a license. I forget which election it was, but a recent one in a contested area, people showed up to vote only to be told "they already voted." I find that highly suspicious.
I do, but she wanted to buy an insurance policy that paid for it. It's no more free than visiting the Doctor and using your insurance.
I'm disgusted by the turn this thread has taken.
Some of you are taking the very same arguments that the gun control crowd apply to us and our right to keep and bear arms and applying them to other rights for other people. We sue the state of Maryland over requiring a license to exercise one right, yet it's okay for other people to require a license to exercise a different right? How is that not hypocrisy?
As people who have had our rights eroded and are fighting to get them back, I'd assume that we'd have more sympathy for the rights of others. I guess I was wrong.
Rights are rights. We don't get to pick and choose which ones we stand up for. We have to protect them all, even the ones we don't like. That's what we're asking the gun control crowd to do with us, right?
You are looking at it wrong. Licensing to own is wrong, a voting license(?) also wrong, but proving ID is not licensing. I have no problem providing ID when I buy a firearm. I also don't have a problem with a simple, fast background check. I may be in the minority with the last part, but I don't know.
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
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.....and this bunch looks to women to swell the ranks as advocates in the fight for 2A, and meanwhile while you advocate repealing the 19A????
Disgusting, alright.
Disgusting, alright.
Mickey the Dragon
Ultimate Member
As was pointed out earlier, not a bunch, just a crackpot. However, I do support any and all members who wish to point out that anyone calling for the restriction of voting rights based on gender and/or race is not only ignorant, but also counter productive to any political goals which this group may hope to achieve.
By repeatedly pointing out that the opinions of a few bigots do not reflect the opinions of the whole, we help present our entire community in a better light.
Kind'a interesting that we need to REGISTER to vote, but that so many oppose anything that somehow indicates you are legally registered. Good Lord, we've had people illegally voting including professional elections officials voting in and out of their valid precincts. An ID card would nail them down to a particular address and force them to provide some evidence (although not neccessarily proof) they are the person who is actually registered. I believe, in at least some elections, voter fraud has been rampant. In our current climate, it only takes 2-3% to swing an election...and sometimes significantly less. I'm sorry, there may be some racists who would do what they can to deny voting rights to others. However, among Conservatives and libertarians I know, virtually all are truly concerned about illegal voting. Furthermore, in as many Liberals who claim to be concerned about violating voting right, there are among them some who have set out to pervert the process. Once integrity in voting is compromised (and it's getting there if not there already) our Republic is doomed.
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
- 8,554
Maybe I misread this...
Mickey the Dragon
Ultimate Member
Forgot the sarcasm tag. He is precisely the brand of ignorance I addressed above.
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