lack of awareness in MD's gun/hunting community

shootin the breeze · Feb 12, 2021

dblas said:
On the Senate side you are correct, but on the House side, we were so successful that the Governor, Speaker of the House, and President of the Senate had to threaten members of their own party to get the bill passed out of committee.

But they still voted for it and learned there were no repercussions. They were not voted out of office. Now they know it doesn't matter if we have 5000, 10000, 100000 people there. They can vote party line and not give a damn. It's even worse this year since the piss ants aren't even allowed to be there to protest to their masters. I'm sure they will enjoy this so much they will find a way to make it permanent. They won't even have to take off from their day jobs in the future. Votes will take as long as it takes for everyone to push their button and then be done.

trickg · Feb 12, 2021

dblas said:
On the Senate side you are correct, but on the House side, we were so successful that the Governor, Speaker of the House, and President of the Senate had to threaten members of their own party to get the bill passed out of committee.

Maryland is NOT a lost cause if people would understand the affect we had back in 2013 on the whole process and not just a part of it. But they don't, they either don't care or they lack awareness of how effective we actually were.

The bottom line is that it got passed, and it shouldn't have. You and I know that once a law is passed, it can be decades, if ever, to undo the damage. DC's gun ban, which was clearly unconstitutional from its very inception, took almost 35 years to overturn. How ya like them apples? FSA 2013 pushes the limit, but those corrupt goons actually used Heller as a basis for their argument for why they could do it - that's how twisted the corrupt politicians of this state are. There's not a snowball's chance in hell that FSA 2013 will ever be lifted.

Maryland will forever languish under that turd of legislation, and the corrupt left in this state will continue to chip away at it to the point where the restrictions will become so numerous and convoluted it will be next to impossible to partake in a firearms hobby without running afoul of something. Then when you do, your guns will be confiscated and you'll be stripped of your rights to own more. If you think that's not coming in states like Komifornia or Marylandistan, IMO you're being naive.

aquaman · Feb 12, 2021

Organizing conservative leaning people is like herding cats.

Most are fudds anyway.

Melnic · Feb 12, 2021

MSI was mentioned, that is what I tell everyone I talk to when discussing these things.
Donate if you can't find the time to participate.

Scorpioj · Feb 12, 2021

Yep. Updated. Got the info. Thanks.

Scorpioj · Feb 12, 2021

TangoSierra27 said:
One of the biggest issues with gun owners, is exactly what you see posted here. Gun owners bashing other gun owners for their lack of knowledge about use, care, and operating fire arms, and not keeping up with legislation thats been introduced during the legislature session. Maybe just maybe if we as gun owners had a more welcoming attitude others would seek us out, as a source of information. Most folks that see many of the post will shy away from asking any questions at all. We should be spreading the word on legislation that is detrimental to gunowners especially in Maryland. Let these folks know they can come to us and we will help them understand the importance of monitoring the legislation, where to find it on web sites and what groups are active in stopping legislation that harms gunowners. If people aren't aware lets help them become more active and welcome them instead of berate them. Just my thoughts. SF.

Thanks for this. All gun owners have their own level of expertise and understanding. I would classify myself as beginner moving to intermediate (although some may disagree). I agree that it would be more prudent for the ones with more information and understanding have a bit more patience for those up and coming.

rbird7282 · Feb 12, 2021

Ponder_MD said:
Right but what I mean is, will they care? Will they be surprised? Will they stop hunting? Will they say "f--- it" and just obtain ammunition illegally?

For the life of me, I cannot see how this will be enforced.

Hunter buys ammunition in VA or WVA.
One morning, Hunter is pulled over for speeding in a routine traffic stop on the way out to his deer stand/duck blind.

Officer asks if he has weapons in the vehicle, Hunter says "Yes, I'm on my way to hunting."

Ok, Officer Friendly finds 2 boxes of 12ga. in the back of the vehicle, stored separately from the shotgun. How does Officer Friendly know that a background check was or was not conducted to purchase the ammo?

As we all know, people hoard and store ammo for years, sometimes decades!

Surprised? Probably. Will they care? Probably.
Will it get them to stand up and try to fight this nonsense? Probably not.
In the above scenario I don’t think officer friendly would give two sh*ts about it.
How is officer friendly finding anything g in the vehicle unless the driver is too stupid to know his rights?
Never consent to a search, not ever.

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Ponder_MD · Feb 12, 2021

aquaman said:
Organizing conservative leaning people is like herding cats.

Most are fudds anyway.

I've sat on the boards of a few organizations. Organizing any group of people is difficult, I agree.

I question whether there are enough conservatives left in the state to matter even if you lined up every single one of them.

I'm telling you- a TON of first time voters came out this last election and they were NOT necessarily the demographic you'd expect. Many of them were elderly and their stated reasons for voting and who they were choosing showed that they were steeped in ignorance and inexperience. It was stunning.

National TV and radio were basically turned into "Trump TV, All Trump, All of the Time." (for good or ill) Now that Trump is out of office, I'm dubious that all these first time voters will keep showing up.

"Orange Man Bad, Orange Man Gone, everything OK now."

Scorpioj · Feb 12, 2021

JoeyBimmer said:
http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/hb0175

Thanks for info. Found it and found it interestingly appalling.

Chat-Bot · Feb 12, 2021

Ponder_MD said:
When next year's batch of hunters go to the store to buy ammunition and are told "Please sign here and provide your driver's license so I can run your background check. Please come back in 3 days to pick up your ammunition when your background check is complete." I wonder what the reaction will be?

When wally world sold real ammo, didn't they restrict sales to before 10 PM or something like that? Guess people will get used to it. Maybe they were trying to curb later evening drive by shooters and make them wait until the next day.

Mark75H · Feb 13, 2021

Gilo · Feb 13, 2021

Post HB 175 thread

Perhaps you can raise more awareness by make a HB 175 discussion thread

Virgil Co.C · Feb 13, 2021

Hear goes setting myself up for criticism. I stay up to speed with the laws and see no end to what those people will do to destroy shooting . Draconian laws that make / will make lawful ownership of firearms / ammo only within reach of the wealthy. This goes well beyond shooting but to mold every aspect of life into their way of thinking . If those people gave a crap they would go after the actual problem. In my mind there is no gun epidemic except in the city’s where certain people are shooting each other . Take the city’s out of the equation and then there would/ could be an argument about alcohol driving while on a cell phone. I understand what’s going on but my problem is opposing these people puts oneself out as a target . I don’t want them to know who I am , where I live , my family. They won’t attack the correct people the actual criminals but would whole heartedly attacking me because my opinion and morales are a whole hell a lot different than theirs .the socialist agenda of those people to wrap up an issue where it is everyone’s problem / issue is their agenda and it’s scary and for those who don’t have a horse in the race what do they care . Even if the hunters , which I am , got more involved don’t think it would matter for they are trying to destroy hunting . When I can and it’s sad and make me feel bad at times I do not by intention help , support , socialize with any so called Democrat . What can I do to stop this stuff , in my mind nothing . Fly under the radar. I give money . State my opinion where I can . Enjoy letting those people know how wrong they are . But at a level where politicians weaponize their platform because I think different than them , it scares the hell out of me . I will keep what I have and one day this will all come to a head in my lifetime or not and it’s gonna be bad. Demolition Man (movie), Sylvester Stallone, is my opinion on Democrats.i support shows , shops and hunting , give money but what I won’t do is put my name out there where they can target me .Maybe in a different state . Sorry this is how I feel. I’m sure many may say this is the problem . Trying to speak to those people is impossible for they have only one goal and could care less what any one who has a different opinion says . Didn’t ya know it’s all our fault that they kill each other in the city’s . Anyway guess someone hear will tell me how I’m the problem also.

RuralRifleGuy · Feb 13, 2021

Virgil Co.C said:
Hear goes setting myself up for criticism. I stay up to speed with the laws and see no end to what those people will do to destroy shooting . Draconian laws that make / will make lawful ownership of firearms / ammo only within reach of the wealthy. This goes well beyond shooting but to mold every aspect of life into their way of thinking . If those people gave a crap they would go after the actual problem. In my mind there is no gun epidemic except in the city’s where certain people are shooting each other . Take the city’s out of the equation and then there would/ could be an argument about alcohol driving while on a cell phone. I understand what’s going on but my problem is opposing these people puts oneself out as a target . I don’t want them to know who I am , where I live , my family. They won’t attack the correct people the actual criminals but would whole heartedly attacking me because my opinion and morales are a whole hell a lot different than theirs .the socialist agenda of those people to wrap up an issue where it is everyone’s problem / issue is their agenda and it’s scary and for those who don’t have a horse in the race what do they care . Even if the hunters , which I am , got more involved don’t think it would matter for they are trying to destroy hunting . When I can and it’s sad and make me feel bad at times I do not by intention help , support , socialize with any so called Democrat . What can I do to stop this stuff , in my mind nothing . Fly under the radar. I give money . State my opinion where I can . Enjoy letting those people know how wrong they are . But at a level where politicians weaponize their platform because I think different than them , it scares the hell out of me . I will keep what I have and one day this will all come to a head in my lifetime or not and it’s gonna be bad. Demolition Man (movie), Sylvester Stallone, is my opinion on Democrats.i support shows , shops and hunting , give money but what I won’t do is put my name out there where they can target me .Maybe in a different state . Sorry this is how I feel. I’m sure many may say this is the problem . Trying to speak to those people is impossible for they have only one goal and could care less what any one who has a different opinion says . Didn’t ya know it’s all our fault that they kill each other in the city’s . Anyway guess someone hear will tell me how I’m the problem also.

When everyone was saying to build the wall, they didn’t mean of text. Use paragraphs.

Virgil Co.C · Feb 13, 2021

I’ll be more gooder next time . Sorry about the rant

Uncle Duke · Feb 13, 2021

Virgil Co.C said:
I’ll be more gooder next time . Sorry about the rant

Don't sweat it. Your points are valid.

Bob A · Feb 13, 2021

Virgil Co.C said:
Here goes setting myself up for criticism.

I stay up to speed with the laws and see no end to what those people will do to destroy shooting . Draconian laws that make / will make lawful ownership of firearms / ammo only within reach of the wealthy. This goes well beyond shooting but to mold every aspect of life into their way of thinking . If those people gave a crap they would go after the actual problem. In my mind there is no gun epidemic except in the city’s where certain people are shooting each other . Take the city’s out of the equation and then there would/ could be an argument about alcohol driving while on a cell phone.

I understand what’s going on but my problem is opposing these people puts oneself out as a target . I don’t want them to know who I am , where I live, my family. They won’t attack the correct people the actual criminals but would whole heartedly attacking me because my opinion and morals are a whole hell a lot different than theirs The socialist agenda of those people to wrap up an issue where it is everyone’s problem / issue is their agenda and it’s scary and for those who don’t have a horse in the race what do they care.

Even if the hunters, of which I am one, got more involved don’t think it would matter for they are trying to destroy hunting. When I can and it’s sad and make me feel bad at times I do not by intention help, support, socialize with any so called Democrat .

What can I do to stop this stuff? In my mind nothing . Fly under the radar. I give money. State my opinion where I can. Enjoy letting those people know how wrong they are. But at a level where politicians weaponize their platform because I think different than them, it scares the hell out of me. I will keep what I have and one day this will all come to a head in my lifetime or not and it’s gonna be bad.

Demolition Man (movie), Sylvester Stallone, is my opinion on Democrats. I support shows, shops and hunting, give money but what I won’t do is put my name out there where they can target me. Maybe in a different state. Sorry this is how I feel. I’m sure many may say this is the problem. Trying to speak to those people is impossible for they have only one goal and could care less what any one who has a different opinion says. Didn’t ya know it’s all our fault that they kill each other in the cities.

Anyway guess someone here will tell me how I’m the problem also.

I have to agree with most of what you wrote. (Cleaned it up a little, hope you don't mind.)

I pretty much put myself out there, years ago, so there's no point in trying to hide, for me anyway. However, it hasn't done much good; maybe slows them down a bit.

Maryland is getting downright scary, especially in light of the massive totalitarian over-reach since the "election". We're thinking of moving - we've been in MoCo for 40+ years, and it's nothing like what it was back then. My wife says and does noting that would expose her beliefs to her many acquaintances, except when they confide their own, similar opinions. I personally have stopped giving a damn about what these people think, but I still keep the profile low; don't want the neighbors red-flagging me.

Art3 · Feb 13, 2021

Virgil Co.C said:
Here goes setting myself up for criticism. I stay up to speed with the laws and see no end to what those people will do to destroy shooting . Draconian laws that make / will make lawful ownership of firearms / ammo only within reach of the wealthy. This goes well beyond shooting but to mold every aspect of life into their way of thinking . If those people gave a crap they would go after the actual problem.

In my mind there is no gun epidemic except in the city’s where certain people are shooting each other . Take the city’s out of the equation and then there would/ could be an argument about alcohol driving while on a cell phone. I understand what’s going on but my problem is opposing these people puts oneself out as a target .

I don’t want them to know who I am , where I live , my family. They won’t attack the correct people the actual criminals but would whole heartedly attack me because my opinion and morals are a whole hell of a lot different than theirs. The socialist agenda of those people to wrap up an issue where it is everyone’s problem / issue, and it’s scary.

For those who don’t have a horse in the race, what do they care? Even if the hunters , which I am , got more involved I don’t think it would matter for they are trying to destroy hunting . When I can and it’s sad and make me feel bad at times I do not by intention help , support , socialize with any so called Democrat .

What can I do to stop this stuff? In my mind nothing . Fly under the radar. I give money . State my opinion where I can . Enjoy letting those people know how wrong they are . But at a level where politicians weaponize their platform because I think different than them , it scares the hell out of me . I will keep what I have and one day this will all come to a head in my lifetime or not and it’s gonna be bad. Demolition Man (movie), Sylvester Stallone, is my opinion on Democrats.i support shows , shops and hunting , give money but what I won’t do is put my name out there where they can target me .Maybe in a different state .

Sorry this is how I feel. I’m sure many may say this is the problem . Trying to speak to those people is impossible for they have only one goal and could care less what any one who has a different opinion says . Didn’t ya know it’s all our fault that they kill each other in the city’s . Anyway guess someone here will tell me how I’m the problem also.

Balance in all things.

I do not think it is possible to stay completely under the radar as a gun owner in the 21st Century, least of all in MD. Maybe...maybe if you have been wealthy enough for long enough, you could have accumulated your collection and ammo with cash and without 4473. Maybe you have enough land to shoot where neighbors won't hear, so your name does not need to be associated with a gun range. That's not feasible for most of us. Honestly, trying to live like that sounds almost like trying to conceal already being a criminal like a drug dealer or pedophile.

For most of us, the government knows we have guns. The extent may be blurry, but that doesn't matter. Having one is enough to put us on the naughty list. If we all kept to the shadows, the only voice our legislators would hear is that of MDA. Who could blame even the "good ones" for not eagerly rubber stamping every gun control bill out there. As far as they know, it would be what the people want.

Just because the secret is out, however, doesn't mean we all have to be brazenly on the front lines of the Patriot Picket. Working to normalize guns within our close circles is a good start. Prudent expansion of that circle, while not glorious at General Patton levels, is an absolutely critical Rosie the Riveter contribution to our fight, especially if others do the same.

Waving a flag in the front lines gets you shot first, in front of everybody. Hiding in the shadows gets you carried off in the night, and nobody notices.

Find some middle ground...that's where real life is for most of us.

Raineman · Feb 13, 2021

Art3 said:
Waving a flag in the front lines gets you shot first, in front of everybody. Hiding in the shadows gets you carried off in the night, and nobody notices.

This hits me hard, and I probably needed it. Thanks Art.

TexDefender · Feb 14, 2021

Well I'm not a fan of Maryland current politics. But if you looked at the last election and the one before, the republican margin is growing in this state. Running away isn't helpful and in the end it will end in defeat. That defeat will not be limited to Maryland, but it will occur everywhere. Maryland's political situation will not change overnight. It will require each and everyone to continue the fight. To stand together and share the burden.

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