Since DC dropped reason to carry, will Maryland?
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Since last month Washington DC no longer requires "good and substantial" reason to apply and get approval to carry a firearm in the District.
Do we know if Maryland will use this precedent to drop ours and become a "Shall Issue" State? Finally????
No, the ruling doesn't apply to Maryland.
WatTyler
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If by "someone" you mean "anyone" and if by "anyone" you mean "no, really, anyone, even the fat guy in the big office" I think the answer is still no.
KevinK
Ultimate Member
DC did this by force. They din't choose to do this.
Maryland will only do it by force as well.
Bills have been introduced before.
Sort of. It's not quite that simple. Legally speaking, the DC ruling has no impact on Maryland, because Maryland isn't in the same Circuit for Court of Appeals as DC is.
Maryland, which is in the 4th Circuit, has the controlling precedent set in the Woollard case which held Maryland's system of ok.
You could use the DC case to say "Look what other circuits are doing" but they could just as easily say "Good for them, we don't agree with them."
Maryland AG Frosh and other AG's put pressure on DC not to appeal to the Supreme Court to avoid an unfavorable ruling for the anti's, that would force MD and other states to remove those types of requirements. I believe they know it would be found as unconstitutional, and they don't want that fight on that level.
That’s double secret probation
Buckeye_Nut
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Unless there is a radical shift in the make up of the General Assembly I don't see this as happening.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
Maryland will see us dead before Maryland sees us carry.
rob
DINO Extraordinaire
MARYLAND politicians will shove their fingers even deeper into their own ears, screaming "Na,na,na,na I can't hear you."
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TheOriginalMexicanBob
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It will take a unanimous Supreme Court decision in our favor before Maryland will allow "shall issue" to be the law...and then they'll refuse until forced to by the courts.
danb
dont be a dumbass
IDK, I am mildly more optimistic than many here. Baltimore PC wants tougher sentences for gun crimes. Lots of people are arrested carrying illegally then nolle prossed and released. There have been a few stories in the Sun about generally law abiding people carrying for self defense, albeit obviously illegally.
MGA knows they are treading on thin ice and borrowed time. Frosh's pressure to get D.C. to drop the appeal essentially concedes they are likely to lose.
I see the potential for compromise. If MGA was smart, they would make it easier for law abiding to get a permit - repeal G&S and go back to 8 hours training. Simultaneously stiffen penalties for those carrying illegally. Judges and prosecutors will be less lenient when the only excuse for not having a permit to carry is that you are a felon. It may even help some Senators like Zirkin who are in districts Hogan won.
But optimism makes it a 1% chance vs a 0.1% chance prior to Wrenn. Always bet on the stupidity of the MGA in this state.
MGA knows they are treading on thin ice and borrowed time. Frosh's pressure to get D.C. to drop the appeal essentially concedes they are likely to lose.
I see the potential for compromise. If MGA was smart, they would make it easier for law abiding to get a permit - repeal G&S and go back to 8 hours training. Simultaneously stiffen penalties for those carrying illegally. Judges and prosecutors will be less lenient when the only excuse for not having a permit to carry is that you are a felon. It may even help some Senators like Zirkin who are in districts Hogan won.
But optimism makes it a 1% chance vs a 0.1% chance prior to Wrenn. Always bet on the stupidity of the MGA in this state.
Nothing to do with gonads. Do you realize that bills removing the "good and substantial" requirement get introduced almost every year? Mike and Mike along with the committee chairman make sure that these bills never see the light of day.
They need to be voted out.
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GolfR
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There is a fundamental problem with both forced shall issue and national reciprocity. This is the fact that each state can pass laws to limit local legality of possession and essentially make more and more places gun free zones. If they were to make local parks, doctors offices, children's play area etc gun free zones, your right to carry would be heavily restricted and put all law abiding carriers to be at risk of violating the law just by walking down the street. Baltimore has already introduced law to do this.
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