StantonCree
Watch your beer
- Jan 23, 2011
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Lol only cuz you’re not married to me
Visit by Homeland Security yesterday for... a scope purchase?
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Lol only cuz you’re not married to me
Almost spit out my coffee on that one ha!
StantonCree
Watch your beer
- Jan 23, 2011
- 23,932
As an individual who investigates i can tell you that’s not true. I’ve talked to a ton of people who were suspects until they talked to me and their stories totally made sense, making me realize i needed to switch gears
There are certainly bigger fish to fry swimming out there.
- Feb 17, 2011
- 14,024
Well since there is some giant conspiracy, we all technically are on a radar somewhere, we are gunowners just because the feds do not come to our house does not mean they do not have us lined up for just in case...Am I doing it right.
ELEMENT94
Wild eyed pistol waver.
- Sep 23, 2007
- 487
I had my time cards checked at my place of employment and received a questioning over the phone from an ATF agent during the Beltway Sniper incident. I had recently purchased an AR15.
Airbornerobocop
Member
- Feb 2, 2014
- 1
Mission Creep
George W. Bush, in one of his major missteps as POTUS, rushed to create DHS as a response to the 9/11 attacks. Nowadays, I hear of DHS "Police" doing SWAT-like raids on folks in NC for the offense of bringing a "gray market" Land Rover Discovery into USA. Counterterrorism investigations I understand; but, this appears to be mission creep. Unless the scope in question (1) was an ITARS item and (2) there was indicia that the recipient was exporting the scope, then this is an overreach.
George W. Bush, in one of his major missteps as POTUS, rushed to create DHS as a response to the 9/11 attacks. Nowadays, I hear of DHS "Police" doing SWAT-like raids on folks in NC for the offense of bringing a "gray market" Land Rover Discovery into USA. Counterterrorism investigations I understand; but, this appears to be mission creep. Unless the scope in question (1) was an ITARS item and (2) there was indicia that the recipient was exporting the scope, then this is an overreach.
Before 9-11, those investigations were done by 'Customs Special Agents' and in the programs division of INS. It's not like the mission of Homeland Security Investigations was created out of thin air. All the blocks that make up legoland were in existence before the agency was formed.
same
Fact is we do not know enough about this for anyone here to say that the OP was not the subject of the investigation or a person of interest in it. This is a home visit by two federal agents. With firearms ownership, no matter how careful one is, due to the 20,000 laws on the subject, there unfortunately laws one might be breaking, and where even a causal comment, for example about parts you never intend to assemble into a particular firearm, can go to felony constructive possession.
Now to be sure there are plenty of cases where it would be in your in the federal agents interest to eliminate you as a possible subject of interest/suspicion For example you are buying legal gun parts for your own use, but you are also making custom parts for boats, or jewelry, or reconditioning cabbage patch dolls, and you either have sent that overseas yourself, or sold those perfectly legal things to someone who aggregates them and sends them overseas. In that case you could be an subject of investigation and it is better to clear everything up so you and law enforcement can move on to the real bad guys.
That said, itis completely unwise to have this interview inside your home, and could be unwise to do so without an attorney. it is also unwise to not know that sometimes "friendly conversation" is just tht, but it is also a specific and well understood technique.
In legal terms you are in a "non custodial environment" meaning the investigators can lie about everything, not inform you of your rights, not inform you that you are the subject of the investigation and use everything and anything you say against you - -and anything they see as well.
For an understanding just how many more rights you gave up, and how you exposed yourself to well understood interrogation technique, see this:
Now to be sure there are plenty of cases where it would be in your in the federal agents interest to eliminate you as a possible subject of interest/suspicion For example you are buying legal gun parts for your own use, but you are also making custom parts for boats, or jewelry, or reconditioning cabbage patch dolls, and you either have sent that overseas yourself, or sold those perfectly legal things to someone who aggregates them and sends them overseas. In that case you could be an subject of investigation and it is better to clear everything up so you and law enforcement can move on to the real bad guys.
That said, itis completely unwise to have this interview inside your home, and could be unwise to do so without an attorney. it is also unwise to not know that sometimes "friendly conversation" is just tht, but it is also a specific and well understood technique.
In legal terms you are in a "non custodial environment" meaning the investigators can lie about everything, not inform you of your rights, not inform you that you are the subject of the investigation and use everything and anything you say against you - -and anything they see as well.
For an understanding just how many more rights you gave up, and how you exposed yourself to well understood interrogation technique, see this:
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/28...e-tactics-of-exceedingly-friendly-fbi-agents/
MADad
Member
I allowed an IRS agent into my home many years ago for a meeting that could have been done in his office. It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life.
shootin the breeze
Missed it by that much
Do tell if you can/will. Inquiring minds want to know.
ARMERICA
Active Member
This was exactly the 1st question I asked myself.
Ashecrimson
Member
- Apr 11, 2018
- 71
Always being watched sadly.
RepublicOfFranklin
Ultimate Member
Mission creep is SOP for federal (and usually state) agencies. Give a federal agency purview over, lets say, grading the chewiness of chewable vitamins; in two weeks they’ll have a fully kitted out tac-team serving no-knock warrants on Mike-n-Ike factories claiming its chewy candy was constructive intent to make black market chewy vitamins.
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Or the third option:
After many years on this planet, I’ve come to realize the reality we all live in.
1. You are only as free as the state will allow you to be.
2. Many espouse the virtues of freedom and liberty, so long as it is they who get to decide to whom, and to what measure those freedoms and liberty applies.
3. And all those folks you meet at Walmart, are potential jurors of your peers, and registered voters.
Check.
I’m a cynic by nature. I have little but disdain and distrust for our government.
You, sir, need to find a shred of hope and work on helping change our predicament.
Is it better to sit and curse the darkness OR get up off your arse and turn on a light (and get a beer from the fridge while you’re up)?
It’s rhetorical. Life’s about choices. Either you’re in it to win it or you’re checked out. Choices.
I suspect there was more than one factor in identifying the OP as a potential export conduit. Consider the following: I had a business associate that was scheduled to depart a northeast airport for Columbia. He got on the plane, then was paged to depart the plane and answer a telephone call. The project in Columbia was cancelled and the home office wanted him to get off the plane so as to avoid paying for an expensive round trip flight with no business purpose. As soon as he got off the phone he was immediately swarmed with DHS agents who took him and his carry on into a back room, strip searched him and kept questioning him in Spanish. He kept protesting that he didn't speak Spanish. Eventually he was released. Months later he learned the reason for the unsolicited attention. There was at the time a smuggling profile that he fit. Smuggler one would board the plane, and during the flight secretly unscrew a trim panel and hide drugs. Get off the plane clean. The next morning that equipment would be scheduled to depart. Smuggler 2 would board the plane, sit in the same seat and collect the drugs. Then they would invent a reason to deplane with the drugs and no search. Most likely there are more factors to your purchase that alerted them than just the scope purchase. Since I'm not a smuggler I have no idea what that could be.
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