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I have posted about the MSP ruling , but did not post the source of that information .
Bigfoot21075
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Wow! Good information. I wonder if this is only for businesses that do large cash transactions?
danb
dont be a dumbass
Has this been put into writing, or its this still just a rumor at this point? Because if its not in writing, I dont believe it. Although to be fair, some of the stuff MDSP puts on their website in writing is wholly made up and I dont believe either, lol.
Ammo Jon
Ultimate Member
- Mar 3, 2008
- 21,036
Nope, nothing in rules about cash/check/amount. If I recall it was a certain amount of transactions (6) over a 3 month period of time.
I sourced this from an IP's Facebook page. I have no doubts about it's credibility
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danb
dont be a dumbass
I have no doubt that the IP thinks its a credible rumor. But until its in writing... The policy should be available to the public, by the way.
- Apr 26, 2012
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According to multiple sources, official MSP notice sometime today. I'll wait.
I am cautiously optimistic, but also don't believe it until I see it. I also see this, if true, as being a good reason for a law suit by a non-business owner based on discrimination. I'm not sure how I feel about this and have many questions, one of which is why someone who owns a business is allowed and more capable to excercize this right than someone else.
I have always had very professional interaction with the MSP and the LD of the MSP, perhaps not the most efficient but always professional. That being said, how will the applicant be determined a business owner? Do they need an LLC, articles of incorporation? Many businesses are Sole Proprietor situation without those things, one of them created by the MSP themselves, the firearms instructor. So many questions.
Like I said, cautiously.......... I can see this being a step in the right direction by opening the door to challenges. Or I can see an elite group being created of individuals who can afford to own a business and are willing to disclose a great deal of information to prove it. I'd like to know why someone's business assets, which they can replace and do not carry around with them, are more "good and substantial" to protect than my wife and son.
Once the policy is in writing I plan on a call to MSP LD. I want to be sure to have the right accurate information for students. I'm sure that phone line will be busy.
TD
I have always had very professional interaction with the MSP and the LD of the MSP, perhaps not the most efficient but always professional. That being said, how will the applicant be determined a business owner? Do they need an LLC, articles of incorporation? Many businesses are Sole Proprietor situation without those things, one of them created by the MSP themselves, the firearms instructor. So many questions.
Like I said, cautiously.......... I can see this being a step in the right direction by opening the door to challenges. Or I can see an elite group being created of individuals who can afford to own a business and are willing to disclose a great deal of information to prove it. I'd like to know why someone's business assets, which they can replace and do not carry around with them, are more "good and substantial" to protect than my wife and son.
Once the policy is in writing I plan on a call to MSP LD. I want to be sure to have the right accurate information for students. I'm sure that phone line will be busy.
TD
Despite this good new development, the MSP is still operating on the state LEGISLATIVE premise that only people with higher than normal risk to their lives should be allowed to carry. That has morphed into the general understanding that people who own businesses take on more risk than people that don't. This is sometimes true, mostly NOT true, but it is the premise for the current policy. I agree that an enterprising plaintiff should be able to make the case that the entire premise is absurd and in fact unconstitutional. Such a case is, essentially, already under way. Please donate to MSI so they can keep the lights on and the printer printing filings!
No reason that both LLCs (and Incs) and sole proprietors can't show that they're legitimately running a business. Business checking account with activity, state paperwork showing a trade name, and - for many - a look at pieces of a tax return showing that the business's income flows to the applicant. Yes, it's a chore and an expense. But if you're actually doing business, getting that business in order (enough for the MSP) on paper should be simple enough.
That distinction already exists and is being challenged. BTW, the permits absolutely are NOT considered by the MSP to allow the business owner to protect their business assets. Only their lives. The theory is that people who run a business can be exposed to greater threats. While that may be true in the sense that some who tote around expensive equipment and cash or who engage in risky activities (like towing cars) are indeed magnets for criminal attention, it's a BS premise for limiting others' right to defend themselves. Again, the truth of that is slowly percolating through the courts.[/QUOTE]
Ammo Jon
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Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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Drifting into Poly Sci kinda stuff .:
Absolutist approach would be to equally oppose all schemes that don't provide at minimum Shall Issue with minimal regulatory burdens . A Right is a Right , a Right denied anyone is an equal affront to all .
Incremental approach would be that every increment of more people with Permits is a Good Thing . The more armed people around the State, with Blood NOT Flowing in the Streets , ever increasingly makes plain to the large chunk of people in the middle, that the Anti claims about the Evil Guns are not just untrue, but absurd , and should be further done away with .
This ( purported from multiple sources considered reliable , but still waiting for hard black and white upon dead trees ) development falls within the second catagory .
Absolutist approach would be to equally oppose all schemes that don't provide at minimum Shall Issue with minimal regulatory burdens . A Right is a Right , a Right denied anyone is an equal affront to all .
Incremental approach would be that every increment of more people with Permits is a Good Thing . The more armed people around the State, with Blood NOT Flowing in the Streets , ever increasingly makes plain to the large chunk of people in the middle, that the Anti claims about the Evil Guns are not just untrue, but absurd , and should be further done away with .
This ( purported from multiple sources considered reliable , but still waiting for hard black and white upon dead trees ) development falls within the second catagory .
If this change comes to fruition, I will have to read up on the process more closely. I own and operate a franchise, so I have the business ownership covered. I get paid via 1099 and file as a sole proprietorship. Does anyone know if MSP contacts the franchisor/parent company?
Statement from a MSP spokesman from an article in The Daily Record by Bryan Sears.
https://thedailyrecord.com/2019/08/06/md-handgun-permit-restrictions-for-business-owners-eased/?ep=1
https://thedailyrecord.com/2019/08/06/md-handgun-permit-restrictions-for-business-owners-eased/?ep=1
Baby steps indeed. Congratulations to those who now have their restrictions removed and kudos to those who pressed to make it happen.
Unfortunately we now have a state with “landed nobility”. Much like Europe in the Middle Ages. The business owners “Nobles” are allowed to exercise their rights while the “serfs” have the right denied.
I am in no way begrudging those who now have unrestricted permits, I am happy for them but this was only a quarter-measure taken by MSP
Unfortunately we now have a state with “landed nobility”. Much like Europe in the Middle Ages. The business owners “Nobles” are allowed to exercise their rights while the “serfs” have the right denied.
I am in no way begrudging those who now have unrestricted permits, I am happy for them but this was only a quarter-measure taken by MSP
You will be fine. You own the franchise..
Thank you. My concern was if this raises a stink at the parent company. I need to review their policies just in case they get contacted.
Bourbonstamps
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- Dec 23, 2015
- 192
i guess i'll have to finally put in my application
I still think It will be interesting to see how they approach the definition of business owner in their eyes.
TD
TD
Rights gained back in the same manner the left is working to take them away, one bit at a time. Like boiling a frog. In this state, probably the best approach given the extreme bias against firearms owners.
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