Complete Colt AR Lowers require 77R?

johnkn · Mar 30, 2021

I purchased a pair of complete new Colt AR lowers and had them shipped to my LGS. LGS had me submit a 77r, and when she took my application number and pin, I believe she entered “rifle lowers”. She had me log back in an complete a 4473 form ( I think that’s what it was). When I was done she stated to come back in 7 days when I receive my “not disapproved” email. When I mentioned that these were destined to be rifle lowers she said it didn’t matter, because at that point they (ATF/MSP?) didn’t know whether they would be pistols or rifles and the 7 day wait applied.

Sound right?

outrider58 · Mar 30, 2021

Should not be transferred as "Rifles". Should be transferred as "Other".

The whole reason for the 77r and 7 day wait is because they can be built into pistols.

777dogman · Mar 30, 2021

That is exactly what I was told by my LGS when I purchased a lower a couple weeks ago.

outrider58 · Mar 30, 2021

There's a possibility of screwing yourselves by transferring complete lowers with rifle stocks on them. I'm not clear on Md law in that regard.

Deep Thought · Mar 30, 2021

outrider58 said:
There's a possibility of screwing yourselves by transferring complete lowers with rifle stocks on them. I'm not clear on Md law in that regard.

Not sure about MD law either, but if transferred as Rifle on the 4473... pretty sure federally they can never be pistols.

MaicoBill · Mar 30, 2021

I have done a few.
I use HQL exempt, and brought in as "Other".

dontpanic · Mar 30, 2021

outrider58 said:
There's a possibility of screwing yourselves by transferring complete lowers with rifle stocks on them. I'm not clear on Md law in that regard.

There's an ATF letter that says you can still build a pistol even if transferred with a rifle stock. Of course there are other letters saying it must be a Virgin or pistol receiver to build a pistol.

For the OP. Are you sure these are virgin lowers? I don't believe Colt has sold virgin lowers for a couple of years now. So any existing would be NOS. The vast majority of Colt lowers out there are going to be rifle take offs.

Virgin Colt lowers are expensive. If the OP paid less than $1000 for a lower, the chance of them being virgin are about zero

dontpanic · Mar 30, 2021

Here's the ATF letter

johnkn · Mar 30, 2021

New take offs.......

dontpanic · Mar 30, 2021

johnkn said:
New take offs.......

They are rifle lowers and always will be.

Maybe your FFL was not aware that these were takeoffs. Either way , all lowers require the 77r and 7 day wait.

outrider58 · Mar 31, 2021

Deep Thought said:
Not sure about MD law either, but if transferred as Rifle on the 4473... pretty sure federally they can never be pistols.

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