OATH Expanding and Fragmenting Slugs

fred333 said:

I 'spect this is what you meant.

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TomisinMd said:

I can't, or won't bother to look it up. I have seen prosecutors try for premeditation with even using hollow points. Just my personal preference so I'll refuse to get all defensive. Go ahead and use them if you want. In this state? Not a frikkin chance with me.

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teratos said:

It's a case of BGOS. People being worried about after-market triggers, ammo etc. if you intend to pull the trigger, and intend to hit the attacker center mass, and you intend to incapacitate that person, mission accomplished. My HD gun is a suppressed short barreled AR with a suppressor chambered in .300 BLK loaded with Hornady A-max 220 grain rounds. I have a 40 round magazine. It has a red dot and a 1000 lumen light. It also has a Geissele trigger. If I shoot someone (God forbid), it's because that is my intention. I protected my family. Did I carefully consider the configuration of my HD firearm? Absolutely I did. I configured it to meet my potential needs. Did I choose ammo that I thought would incapacitate an attacker? Yep, sure did. Did I keep firing until there was no longer a threat? Yep. Did I train to do that? Yep. If my family is safe, I did my job. Am I worried about being convicted for killing someone in my house? Not at all.

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teratos said:

In addition to ammo choices, people also seem to get upset if you have anything but a stock trigger in your HD gun. Somehow thinking the prosecution will imply the trigger pulled itself. I assure you, if I ever have to shoot to neutralize a threat every trigger pull was intentional.

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fred333 said:

Not to beat a dead horse, but if you've got a modified gun (especially, the trigger system) and there was an accidental discharge or injured bystander or some other type of collateral damage related to your firearm use, a hungry lawyer's likely to go after that modification as "evidence" of premeditation or malicious intent (this comes from Ayoob). I realize opinions're divided on the subject, but I think it merits consideration.

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teratos said:

I use what I train with and train with what I like. I understand where people are coming from with these issues, but I see no reason to lessen my advantage because I am worried about lawsuits or being convicted of murder when I clearly defended my home and family from an invader. I'll continue to use my Geissele trigger. My HD gun is also my favorite range gun. Once I get my image intensifier into a PVS-14 housing, that will be mounted on my HD gun as well. Then I'll have Gen 3 night vision on a suppressed SBR .300 BLK.

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fred333 said:

Have you read Branca's The Law of Self Defense?

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teratos said:

No. Looks like a good read. I'll have to pick up a copy.

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fred333 said:

Here's a sample:

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teratos said:

Sort of. They left me no other choice. In addition to ammo choices, people also seem to get upset if you have anything but a stock trigger in your HD gun. Somehow thinking the prosecution will imply the trigger pulled itself. I assure you, if I ever have to shoot to neutralize a threat every trigger pull was intentional.




So a good shoot will suddenly be a bad shoot if you use the same ammo the police use? BGOS.

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teratos said:

I use what I train with and train with what I like. I understand where people are coming from with these issues, but I see no reason to lessen my advantage because I am worried about lawsuits or being convicted of murder when I clearly defended my home and family from an invader. I'll continue to use my Geissele trigger. My HD gun is also my favorite range gun. Once I get my image intensifier into a PVS-14 housing, that will be mounted on my HD gun as well. Then I'll have Gen 3 night vision on a suppressed SBR .300 BLK.

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