clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Im very certain I will.
HBAR Barrel Profiles
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Im very certain I will.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Personally I'd like some set-in-stone answers. It takes the confusion away, and gives a better clue of how to fight some of this BS that's been laid upon us all.
Hey could you be sure and post the response please?
Ill be sure to share it with you guys and the O.P.
You have a deal. Now let's get this family photo scheduled, mister.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
You have a deal. Now let's get this family photo scheduled, mister.
Ill take off work.
i've got terminal leave starting soon and ETS 31 may, so i can basically just up and leave and nobody gives a fck.
Chad, I would like a copy if possible. Thanks
Ab_Normal
Ab_member
Of course they are going to go with the most strict interpretation they can even though copies are included as regulated/banned or not. The AR15 being the prime example.
I may send them a letter asking for clarification on the weight requirement only for a H(eavy) BAR(rel) AR style rifle.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Doubtful, as the Windham barrel is heavier and has an overall larger profile than the Colt which was the one exempted.
Can there be a weight requirement? I think barrel length would impact this too much, and there are several acceptable barrel lengths.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Yes they have in limited scope. I would like an all in one answer if possible.
Thanks for the support.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
A weight requirement would be foolish IMO because one could just make a beefier barrel for "shorter" setups. A 12" cut down bull barrel will weight close to a 20" HBAR.
Agreed.
Pulled a quote from this thread:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=44602
There was a concern early this year amongst several licensed MD firearms dealers regarding the issue of only Colt HBAR's being non-regulated and all other manufacturers of AR type guns with heavy profile barrels being regulated. The MLFDA (Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealer's Association), of which I am on the Board of Directors, contacted MSP Licensing and Firearms Registration Unit to receive clarification on this issue. An AR rifle (minimum of 16" barrel) with bona fide heavy barrel dimensions (under the handguard too) is a non-regulated firearm as it is a "copy" of a non-regulated firearm. Anyone on this forum that is a member of the MLFDA should have received a letter pertaining to this subject a few months ago. The existance or non-existance of a sear block in the lower receiver has no bearing on this issue as nothing is mentioned in the law pertaining to sear blocks in non-regulated AR HBARs; so consider the sear block point moot. The "HBAR" marking need NOT be present on the lower receiver and/or the barrel so as long as the barrel has a bona fide heavy barrel contour or heavier. If one changes out the HBAR configuration to other than HBAR or heavier, then the AR rifle in question is no longer non-regulated and MUST be registered as a regulated firearm with MSP and the owner must be at least of 21 years of age. So why would one want to turn a non-regulated firearm into a regulated firearm is beyond me. If you want one that is regulated, then buy a regulated non-HBAR and no law will be broken if you decide to stick an HBAR upper on it though that firearm shall remain regulated and you may switch various uppers as you please. If you are trying to get around the minimum of the 21 years of age thing, don't even think about it, it's not worth it.
We need to get a copy of the MFLDA letter.
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=44602
There was a concern early this year amongst several licensed MD firearms dealers regarding the issue of only Colt HBAR's being non-regulated and all other manufacturers of AR type guns with heavy profile barrels being regulated. The MLFDA (Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealer's Association), of which I am on the Board of Directors, contacted MSP Licensing and Firearms Registration Unit to receive clarification on this issue. An AR rifle (minimum of 16" barrel) with bona fide heavy barrel dimensions (under the handguard too) is a non-regulated firearm as it is a "copy" of a non-regulated firearm. Anyone on this forum that is a member of the MLFDA should have received a letter pertaining to this subject a few months ago. The existance or non-existance of a sear block in the lower receiver has no bearing on this issue as nothing is mentioned in the law pertaining to sear blocks in non-regulated AR HBARs; so consider the sear block point moot. The "HBAR" marking need NOT be present on the lower receiver and/or the barrel so as long as the barrel has a bona fide heavy barrel contour or heavier. If one changes out the HBAR configuration to other than HBAR or heavier, then the AR rifle in question is no longer non-regulated and MUST be registered as a regulated firearm with MSP and the owner must be at least of 21 years of age. So why would one want to turn a non-regulated firearm into a regulated firearm is beyond me. If you want one that is regulated, then buy a regulated non-HBAR and no law will be broken if you decide to stick an HBAR upper on it though that firearm shall remain regulated and you may switch various uppers as you please. If you are trying to get around the minimum of the 21 years of age thing, don't even think about it, it's not worth it.
We need to get a copy of the MFLDA letter.
Why are we poking the lion here?
- Oct 8, 2007
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email i received about a vendor built rifle:
Re: is this ar-15 HBAR legal to purchase in Maryland?
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Cpl. Jason Edwards (State Police) (jason.edwards@maryland.gov)Add to contacts 1/29/14
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As long as it's a heavy barrel it would be legal to purchase.
Cpl. Jason Edwards
Corporal Jason Edwards
Maryland State Police
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Pikesville, Maryland 21208
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:12 PM, wrote:
Thanks for the reply . My concern was that is was built on a 6920 lower receiver instead of a virgin receiver.
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On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:47 PM, "Cpl. Jason Edwards (State Police)" <jason.edwards@maryland.gov> wrote:
Heavy barrel AR-15's are not banned with the exception of the Bushmaster. Be sure that the weapon does not qualify as a Copycat Weapon.
Cpl. Jason Edwards
Re: is this ar-15 HBAR legal to purchase in Maryland?
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As long as it's a heavy barrel it would be legal to purchase.
Cpl. Jason Edwards
Corporal Jason Edwards
Maryland State Police
Licensing Division
Firearms Registration Section
1111 Reisterstown Road
Pikesville, Maryland 21208
Office: 410-653-4500
Fax: 410-486-6360 (77R Only)
Fax: 410-653-4036 All Other Faxes
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:12 PM, wrote:
Thanks for the reply . My concern was that is was built on a 6920 lower receiver instead of a virgin receiver.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:47 PM, "Cpl. Jason Edwards (State Police)" <jason.edwards@maryland.gov> wrote:
Heavy barrel AR-15's are not banned with the exception of the Bushmaster. Be sure that the weapon does not qualify as a Copycat Weapon.
Cpl. Jason Edwards
Ab_Normal
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One could also get a CF barrel in a bull or HBAR profile that would weight about the same as the standard lightweight steel barrel. That would keep it in the same light weight range that lends to the 'assaultiness' of the specific firearms mentioned in the Md. statute.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
There is so much speculation on what is an "HBAR".
All I know is that the "Colt AR–15 Sporter H–BAR rifle" and copies of it are the exception to the AR-15 ban. Now, take the Colt AR-15 Sporter H-BAR rifle barrel and there you have your "for sure" measurements. Once you get outside an exact copy of that barrel, then it becomes subject to interpretation. Same goes for an exact copy of the gun.
Personally, I don't trust MSP to know exactly what the laws mean either. They were wrong about "copies" before when it came down to a .22lr that cosmetically looked like an AR-15. The AG didn't agree with MSP on that one. So, who is to say that the AG is going to agree with MSP on what a copy of an HBAR is, barrel or entire gun.
Now, that is if you want to play it extremely safe. The further you deviate from an exact copy, the more risk you take.
At least that is my opinion on the matter.
I don't think anyone is poking the lion, just double checking to make sure they are good to go as it pertains to the new MSP bulletin..
I mean with sending letters and such. I'm afraid they're just going to say that the only acceptable HBAR's are the ones on Colt Sporters. End of story.
