Finnish used New England Westinghouse M91 with RT2 Stock Disc

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  • airbornetrooper

    Active Member
    Nov 9, 2017
    137
    VA
    As many here probably already know, I am huge fan (and collector) of Finnish Mosin-Nagant rifles with brass unit discs. I managed to acquire this one last month. This is a M91 made by New England Westinghouse (NEW). As with all NEW M91's it is marked 1915 for the year of production, even though this was not the case. Unlike Remington, NEW kept the date of the contract as the year stamp on the barrel throughout the entire contract. Every NEW will bear the 1915 date.

    The stock disc is a pre-war example (post war examples are usually zinc) and bears the mark of "II/RT2 34" which would mean this is the 34th rifle of the 2nd battalion of the 2nd Coastal Artillery Regiment. RT1 through RT5 were all pre-war Finnish units, with several more added once the war started. They crewed the substantial coastal artillery emplacements and garrisons on the Finnish coastline (see link & pictures), including battleship caliber guns.

    https://www.jaegerplatoon.net/COASTAL_ARTILLERY3.htm

    The rifle itself is almost all original NEW parts. I do not believe the stock is original to the rifle, even though it is a NEW, because the buttplate has been scrubbed. The rear sight, internals, magazine, and all the bolt parts are NEW, with the bolt being original matching.
     

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    Zorros

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    Dec 10, 2017
    1,407
    Metropolis
    Beautiful. Here’s another. Not new, with SA marking. No marks i can see on butt stock, although it is two piece. I know 0 about this rifle.
     

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    airbornetrooper

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    Nov 9, 2017
    137
    VA
    Beautiful. Here’s another. Not new, with SA marking. No marks i can see on butt stock, although it is two piece. I know 0 about this rifle.

    Looks like a typical Finnish marked and rebuilt New England Westinghouse. I don't see anything wrong with it, its a keeper.

    You almost never see Finn rifles with their unit ID disc intact, wonderful find!

    I have about a dozen. They're especially difficult to find. I've found more than a few that I've had to pass on because they've been messed with. Bubba always picks the nice ones...
     

    CodeWarrior1241

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    Sep 23, 2013
    827
    Lutherville
    This is spectacular to see and read about, thank you for sharing. Russians, in Russia, s*** themselves when they see freer people than them get a hold of history pieces like this.

    I really like that 1915 Г date stamp, that's a Cyrillic G, stands for Год (means year). Wonder what made them do that in Russian and leave everything else in English...

    Who stamped the double headed eagle crest - NEW at the factory, or when it was processed in Russia? Or did these not make it to Russia at all?

    Sent from my SHIELD Tablet K1 using Tapatalk
     

    jmike3543

    Active Member
    Sep 10, 2018
    207
    What a fantastic rifle! I've been yerning for a M39 for a while but now I've got the itch for anything Finnish!
     

    airbornetrooper

    Active Member
    Nov 9, 2017
    137
    VA
    They’re more common than you think, at least on M39s

    Yes, but the M39s are all post war discs from a handful of units (JPSTO, PSTO, and a few others). The pre war discs have a huge variety of potential units, but the most commonly seen ones are:

    RT
    KTR
    various signal units
    HUOLT

    The "line" units seem less common, at least on M91s. Maybe thats because the M27 was the main frontline weapon, or maybe the non-combat arms units followed protocol less, or maybe they just had a higher chance of not being destroyed or reworked. Hard to say. Eventually when my book is published I will convert my Excel files into CSV format and run them through R programming to see what I can figure out.
     

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