Midway prices being inflated.

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Actually Walmart would have perpetuated the scalping be ause the prices never changed. Same 10 people lined up every morning to buy max quantities. Left the store returned for another max purchase. Then scalped it. All kinds of schemes there.

“Gasoline was $2.11 on election day. It's $2.75 now. Diesel is up over $3 and expected to climb. I saw one article that predicts gas over $3.50 on average by summer...that means some places will be well over $4...and Congress is debating a 40 cent a gallon tax increase..”

Socialist (Democrat) powered congress, no surprise tax increases. Like merry ole’ European monarchies...need more revenue raise taxes. I am surprised more people have not ask where the stimulus money was being generated. Trump was pushing to hold China responsible for reparations to recover some of the COVID economic impact. Biden will just deepen China’s clutches on us. I know people are hurting and I empathize. But large quantities of the monies from the first package were not distributed as intended. With the election those inquiries stopped. Nearly 3 trillion dollars in stimulus money will be distributed if the Biden plan gets confirmed...which on some grounds its not going to be fully approved. That is over 75% of the yearly US budget. No one asking? At least some of this plans extends into the future a couple of years. So we will pay for this COVID thing one way or the other. That 40 cents per gallon tax is one way. And will probably never go away.
There are people out there who think the government makes money other thanthrough taxation. Clueless. One sector does and by law it cannot be touched..SSA...annuties pays the SSA benefits.

I haven't walked into a Walmart or a Sams since August of 2018 and I don't feel as if I have missed a thing except some of the people that wonder the store lol. I also have not bought from Cheaper Then Dirt and have stopped buying from Midway USA.

atblis said:

The thing I keep coming back to is it really sucks that Walmart decided to get out of this business right in the middle of it. I feel like they would be a stabilizing force to keep prices low and the manufacturers wouldn't mess with them on contracts.

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I don't have any reason to think that any of the manufacturers are messing with anybody. They're running at their full capacity, paying more for what skilled labor they can hire/retain/trust, their raw materials, maintenance, tooling, transportation, and all of their ever-rising overhead costs (health insurance, utilities, etc), and they still compete with one another.

Walmart may have been able to negotiate very large, long-term orders ... but when demand is greater than manufacturing capacity, that doesn't in any way reduce what it costs to make the stuff. Most of the turbulence is in middle-tier distribution chaos caused by huge demand that distorts the normal channels through which stuff travels, and introduces more trans-shippers, re-distributors, and middlemen getting into the sideways movement of hotly contested supplies.

At the retail level, there is definitely some price increasing (say, at the LGS) out of dire necessity ... because they have no inventory to sell, and when they do, they have to get more for it because they're still paying rent, payroll, and everything else, with very little to sell.

I don't blame the manufacturers for the prices. I blame the circumstances that have spiked demand way outside of the JIT manufacturing/distribution model's wiggle room to take on the unexpected. The current administration is going to continue to be a driver for more of the same.

MidwayUSA is a great company. I've bought stuff from them and I'll buy more stuff from them.

But I always compare their prices against other sites. That's what the Internet is for!
Yes, their service is a factor but it's not the only factor.

Magnumite said:

Actually Walmart would have perpetuated the scalping be ause the prices never changed. Same 10 people lined up every morning to buy max quantities. Left the store returned for another max purchase. Then scalped it. All kinds of schemes there.

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Oh I remember those days. No honor amongst thieves, that’s for sure. I remember “friends” not leaving a single box of ammo for the guy in line behind them, arguments, fist fights etc...

Was always the same guys to. I remember sooo many folks complaining about the “old retired guys”, and how they could never get anything because they were taking it all.

Magnumite said:

“Gasoline was $2.11 on election day. It's $2.75 now. Diesel is up over $3 and expected to climb. I saw one article that predicts gas over $3.50 on average by summer...that means some places will be well over $4...and Congress is debating a 40 cent a gallon tax increase..”

Socialist (Democrat) powered congress, no surprise tax increases. Like merry ole’ European monarchies...need more revenue raise taxes. I am surprised more people have not ask where the stimulus money was being generated. Trump was pushing to hold China responsible for reparations to recover some of the COVID economic impact. Biden will just deepen China’s clutches on us. I know people are hurting and I empathize. But large quantities of the monies from the first package were not distributed as intended. With the election those inquiries stopped. Nearly 3 trillion dollars in stimulus money will be distributed if the Biden plan gets confirmed...which on some grounds its not going to be fully approved. That is over 75% of the yearly US budget. No one asking? At least some of this plans extends into the future a couple of years. So we will pay for this COVID thing one way or the other. That 40 cents per gallon tax is one way. And will probably never go away.
There are people out there who think the government makes money other thanthrough taxation. Clueless. One sector does and by law it cannot be touched..SSA...annuties pays the SSA benefits.

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Honestly gas tax is a bad one to look at. It should have been tracked to inflation. It was last changed to 18.4cpg in 1993.

That is the equivalent of 10cpg now. So the revenue adjusted for inflation is only a little over HALF of what it had been back in 1993 when it was last adjusted. Since it nominally goes to fund highways and infrastructure, that is significantly less inflation adjusted monies the federal government has to spend on that stuff, or significantly more borrowing they have to do.

rockstarr said:

Oh I remember those days. No honor amongst thieves, that’s for sure. I remember “friends” not leaving a single box of ammo for the guy in line behind them, arguments, fist fights etc...

Was always the same guys to. I remember sooo many folks complaining about the “old retired guys”, and how they could never get anything because they were taking it all.

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When Walmart was liquidating I was at the Mount Airy store after finding out that Germantown was basically picked over already (I did score some 38spc for a great price, but only 3 boxes left).

I had bypassed Mt Airy, because Germantown looked like they had a much deeper discount. Clerk at Germantown said three guys cleaned out everything. A couple the evening before who bought a bunch and one guy that morning who said he was with a local PD and literally loaded a couple of shopping cart with EVERYTHING left. As the Clerk said, their shelves had been filled and the two guys the evening before bought a few thousand rounds each, this guy bought like 10,000+ rounds.

Clerk managed to find the 3 boxes of 38spc mixed in with some 45LC no one had bought (oh, and a single box of 9mm Golden Sabre that I think was mixed in with I think it was 380 that wasn't discounted yet for some reason).

Stopped by Mt Airy, they had a bunch of 9mm and 223 left. Not as good a price, but still really good. Clerk stacked the 9mm brass on the counter for me, but the 223 was in the gun cabinet. In the 15 minutes it took to get a supervisor to unlock it another guy came in and asked for 223 and the clerk looked and me and told the guy "well, depends on how much that guy gets".

So I let the guy have half of the 223 left. 600 rounds.

Of course now I am kicking myself I didn't also get the Winchester steel case 9mm they had as it was a decent price. Especially compared to today, but heard to many bad things. I think I ended up with 900 rounds of 9mm and the 600 of 223.

I am wishing I'd just been a dick and, hey, I got there first. Sorry buddy.

But I have a real hard time being a dick.

Grabbed primers at BPS a few months ago, but only grabbed 500 SPM, because they maybe had 1400 on the shelves and figured one or two other guys might really need primers and I didn't NEED all of them right away. So let some other guy have a chance at some.

Midway has been my primary source of parts and ammo for a decade. I have watched them through two of these demand curves now. Yes, prices are up but prices are up everywhere. I have screen captures of CTD showing .223 for $2 a round with Midway at 79 cents last year. Their prices aren't good, they aren't bad, they are what they are getting in and what they are selling for. My impression is they are passing along markups from their downstream suppliers. You can't discount what you can't get in volume. I have seen a steady $1/round for 9mm for the better part of six months now. It isn't Midway or Brownells; it's everyone.

I'm not complaining. Some prices have held steady, others have increased. There is a worldwide shortage of materials right now. Reloading dies are more expensive because all metal supply chains are in chaos right now. I have backordered dies up to six months from Dillon, Midway and Brownells. I have gotten notifications of product in stock to see it gone in under an hour. Not ammunition, just dies and parts. Some stuff is moving out quickly. Other stuff you can't get for money even if you have it.

Now is not the time to be getting into shooting as a hobby. Only those that had stuff previously acquired are doing ok. I'm not even shooting right now for the most part and what I am shooting is stuff like .22LR I can't reload or bolt guns where I can save every piece of precious brass. When the weather warms up I will shoot Berdan primed stuff and still save the brass for sale to companies that specialize in it. The only competition shooting I am planning on doing this year is precision rimfire and a couple centerfire matches to keep the round counts down and where I can use the press and my stockpiled components miserly. I tell anyone who is looking at reloading right now to make shooting "cheaper" to just not bother. No point with no powder or primers available. Lately my 550C has been an expensive brass prep machine.

I give business to my local gun shop. I'd rather buy ammo from 2A and keep our local stores in business. It's rough on them too. Can't sell what you can't get. You can put small shops out of business with crazy demand because they literally have nothing to sell. Can't pay rent on what you can't make. I go to Midway and Brownells for the things they can't get me or don't stock.

I thought 2014 was bad. I have never seen anything like this. I am living off the stuff I bought after that and grateful for it. But anything I use is used with the knowledge that I don't know how I am going to replace it. A few thousand rounds sounds like a lot until you realize there is nothing out there to follow it with no reasonable expectation of when you will be able to restock. Suddenly those few boxes of ammo, that tray of primers or that jug of powder becomes precious and careful consideration goes into when you are going to use it because it may be all you have for a long time.

For now I am back to milsurp ammo and .22LR I can't reload and conserving everything else including components. A pound of Power Pistol or Unique now is worth its weight in gold.

Matt

Pretty sad to hear conservatives bleating like liberal cucks.

Let's say an item costs me $10, and I sell it for $20. I buy 50 of them.

Next time I go to buy, it costs me $12. If I sell it at $20, I can only buy 41 of them under the same profit schedule. Either I sell fewer, earn less, or raise the price.

The next time they cost $15, and I can only buy 33 of them.

See how this goes?

If I buy in larger quantities, I may get a discount. But, if they aren't available, that discount probably goes away--the source has to make money, too, and others will pay more.

Also, if I buy in large quantities, I may be restocking AFTER some of the smaller dealers, so my price jumps up fast, vs them having time to stage the increases. Or, I may be advised, "these go up next week," and I have to plan ahead. Other vendors who aren't out of stock may stay cheaper, for a while, but will either wind up out of stock, or raising prices.

Percentages

Midway, like all others, is going to get whatever the market will bear. They are increasing the profit %.
If your company works on a 50% gross, then you sell for exactly double your cost...thats a 50% gross margin.
So if my cost goes up $1, the selling price goes up $2.
I'm still at a 50% gross.
I'm sure Midways cost has risen and so the selling values, but I'm also sure they are increasing their profit margin from 50% to maybe 60%.

Midway is still my #1 due to stock and assortment.
Their no worse than anyone else during these times other than possibly Cheaper Than Gold. Those guys blatantly rip people off.

Archeryrob said:

I have always loved Midway and Larry Potter, but lately since this fiasco this year I am starting to have a hard time trying to settle for their prices. I bought 30-30 dies from them as I got a product notification and just bought them as I trusted Midway. Like I used to trust Cabelas, even though I knew they were high a lot, but Like cabelas Brands I trusted them. I can't anymore after BPS bought them.

So anyways, I did am impluse buy on the 30-30 dies as they were in and they had the M die too, so I ordered them. As I started looking for 30.06 dies I started noticing prices and that Midway was significantly higher than everyone. I was looking at the Lee Ultimate dies and below is a comparison. I see this with everything on their site any more, Dies, powder, and tools.

All 30% higher than other stores now. $65.99/50.49 = 1.30 difference in price. So Obviously Mid south is making a profit and so is Natchez and Titan at a lower price point. Midway is making a profit at the same cost and selling for 30% higher than the other stores.

Lee 90736 Ultimate 4-Die Set
Midway $65.99 https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1011184659?pid=993744
Mid-south shooter supply $50.49 https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/0000690736/3006-ultimate-rifle-die-set
Natchez $47.99 https://www.natchezss.com/lee-ultimate-rifle-die-set-30-06-sprg.html
Titan Reloading $47.99 https://www.titanreloading.com/lee-3006-ultimate-rifle-4-die-set?search=90736

I am waiting for this mold to be back in stock, Lyman 311041
Midway $96.99 https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010218899?pid=128710
Mid-south $74.33 https://www.midsouthshooterssupply....llet-mould-number-311041-30-caliber-173-grain

I think I am adding Larry and company to the gougers I will not do business with any further.

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The only price you can trust is what you pay at check out...

Nobody has anything in stock, i've found lately that when midwayusa has it no one else does. MidwayUsa is not gouging they're charging their standard markup based on what they can get something for...

I still believe they're good people and are as much a victim of supply & demand as the rest of us. We all learned in school when the demand exceeds the ability to supply the price goes up, does not matter what it is.

We also learned in school IF you're not making at least 30% on every dollar spent you'll not stay in business long.

Don't get me started on hyperinflation caused by Trillion Dollar Corona Virus upside down spending bills.

The price of everything is going up, gas, diesel alone is up 30% plus since the jan 20 stolen election inauragtion. That too has a impact on everything we buy bar none, everything is flown & or trucked.

Check out die prices on ebay if you want to see what price gouging looks like.

Never fear comrades. In coming Soviet Amerika, state decides what you buy and what price will be.


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I haven't noticed...

I scored some powder & bullets last week from Midway & the price hadn't gone up at all. Granted, I've always found dies much cheaper on Amazon or Ebay. Bottom line, evrything is sold out everywhere. A lot of what I'm seeing on Midway is "boutique-esque", as in match grade .22LR.... Also bear in mind retailers are buying from whomever they can, so they're paying more which means the consumer pays more. Simple economics. If you don't like the prices, don't buy the items.

Texas solo said:

Midway, like all others, is going to get whatever the market will bear. They are increasing the profit %.
If your company works on a 50% gross, then you sell for exactly double your cost...thats a 50% gross margin.
So if my cost goes up $1, the selling price goes up $2.
I'm still at a 50% gross.
I'm sure Midways cost has risen and so the selling values, but I'm also sure they are increasing their profit margin from 50% to maybe 60%.

Midway is still my #1 due to stock and assortment.
Their no worse than anyone else during these times other than possibly Cheaper Than Gold. Those guys blatantly rip people off.

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Got any proof or are you just pulling shit out of your ass?

I had a bad experience with Midway USA the other day. They sent me an e-mail stating an item I have been looking at was on sale. I went in an put it into my cart and purchased it. Then I noticed it was at full price. I chatted with customer service and they basically told me sorry we sold out of the sale priced stock. Well, that's not right. Usually if you send an e-mail about purchasing at a specific price, a company should honor it. The e-mail didn't mention a limited time or limited sale stock. The customer service then told me Midway USA reserves the right to change the price at any time. So, that was my last purchase from them UNLESS I have no other option for something. Its ridiculous what is going on with all this stuff.

I have dealt with Midway since their infancy and for the most part have been VERY happy--several years back they were using a FLAT rate on shipping I believe it was $9.95---I had ordered something very small (Weight ) and they charged me the $9.95 .
I wrote to Larry and asked why Midway did not ship small items in padded envelops - I am POSITIVE I was not the only customer to suggest the same. Shortly thereafter Midway began shipping in envelopes.
We all know the Midway does NOT always have the best AKA cheapest price the fact that they do have a HUGH stock is what keeps me a customer

Jim

MIDWAY

[THAT is Midway's FREE SHIPPING !!!!=Archeryrob;6252228]I have always loved Midway and Larry Potter, but lately since this fiasco this year I am starting to have a hard time trying to settle for their prices. I bought 30-30 dies from them as I got a product notification and just bought them as I trusted Midway. Like I used to trust Cabelas, even though I knew they were high a lot, but Like cabelas Brands I trusted them. I can't anymore after BPS bought them.

So anyways, I did am impluse buy on the 30-30 dies as they were in and they had the M die too, so I ordered them. As I started looking for 30.06 dies I started noticing prices and that Midway was significantly higher than everyone. I was looking at the Lee Ultimate dies and below is a comparison. I see this with everything on their site any more, Dies, powder, and tools.

All 30% higher than other stores now. $65.99/50.49 = 1.30 difference in price. So Obviously Mid south is making a profit and so is Natchez and Titan at a lower price point. Midway is making a profit at the same cost and selling for 30% higher than the other stores.

Lee 90736 Ultimate 4-Die Set
Midway $65.99 https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1011184659?pid=993744
Mid-south shooter supply $50.49 https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/0000690736/3006-ultimate-rifle-die-set
Natchez $47.99 https://www.natchezss.com/lee-ultimate-rifle-die-set-30-06-sprg.html
Titan Reloading $47.99 https://www.titanreloading.com/lee-3006-ultimate-rifle-4-die-set?search=90736

I am waiting for this mold to be back in stock, Lyman 311041
Midway $96.99 https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010218899?pid=128710
Mid-south $74.33 https://www.midsouthshooterssupply....llet-mould-number-311041-30-caliber-173-grain

I think I am adding Larry and company to the gougers I will not do business with any further.[/QUOTE]

THAT is Midway's FREE SHIPPING !!!