SHTF What Rifle do you grab?

hogarth · Jul 1, 2019

jimbobborg said:
Yeah, we're really delicate with our rifles when we dump them in barrels or slam into barriers during stages. BTW, most of my brakes double as flash suppressors, backup sights take a few minutes to install, and a lot of people use and recommend Geissele triggers for hard use carbines and 3-gun.

Yes, those plastic barrels are tough.

As for the rest, irons still need to be zeroed (will you have time for that?? How fast is the S hitting the fan?), I've never seen a combo brake/FH that works as well as a good dedicated FH, and I took Photoracers description of a "fast" trigger to be a light one, which are not typically recommended for combat purposes. Perhaps I misinterpreted him.

Enjoy your games!

scout6 · Jul 1, 2019

jrhzn said:
Great write up and explanation!!!

Thank you

tailgunner · Jul 2, 2019

Which to choose

This question posed a bit of a conundrum for me, which to choose.... hmmmm.

niftyvt · Jul 3, 2019

tailgunner said:
This question posed a bit of a conundrum for me, which to choose.... hmmmm.

Thats actually a very easy question to answer. The one (rifle + handgun) you have taken a/multiple classes with and have trained and practiced with the most.

jrhzn · Jul 9, 2019

niftyvt said:
Thats actually a very easy question to answer. The one (rifle + handgun) you have taken a/multiple classes with and have trained and practiced with the most.

Ha!

fidelity · Jul 10, 2019

Assuming a simple hypothetical where one has to leave home, can only carry one rifle and one pistol, and these would increase chances of survival (for obtaining food, for defense, and in resupply), I would take a inexpensive, scavenged mutt of an AR-15 that I built in a SOTAR class. It's the FDE rifle in the pics below. It has midlength gas, a Tubbs flatwire spring, and heavy buffer - and is very soft to shoot. Very accurate at 100 yards even with the (solar-rechargeable) red dot. I would also take a Glock 19.

Part of me wants to go with an 1892 lever action in 38 Special/357 Magnum (or a Ruger 77/357 bolt action) paired with an easy to conceal Kimber K6S revolver, so same ammo for both. This rifle might look less intimidating/make me less of a target of those fearing offensive threats.

I can also see the appeal of a lightweight 10/22 Takedown. Easy to bring a good amount of ammo.

Although I'm not anticipating an apocalyptic future in my lifetime, if I did, having suppressed guns would be nice.

jrhzn · Jul 10, 2019

fidelity said:
Assuming a simple hypothetical where one has to leave home, can only carry one rifle and one pistol, and these would increase chances of survival (for obtaining food, for defense, and in resupply), I would take a inexpensive, scavenged mutt of an AR-15 that I built in a SOTAR class. It's the FDE rifle in the pics below. It has midlength gas, a Tubbs flatwire spring, and heavy buffer - and is very soft to shoot. Very accurate at 100 yards even with the (solar-rechargeable) red dot. I would also take a Glock 19.

Part of me wants to go with an 1892 lever action in 38 Special/357 Magnum (or a Ruger 77/357 bolt action) paired with an easy to conceal Kimber K6S revolver, so same ammo for both. This rifle might look less intimidating/make me less of a target of those fearing offensive threats.

I can also see the appeal of a lightweight 10/22 Takedown. Easy to bring a good amount of ammo.

Although I'm not anticipating an apocalyptic future in my lifetime, if I did, having suppressed guns would be nice.

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Great thoughts! By the way, what is a SOTAR class?

holesonpaper · Jul 10, 2019

Don’t know the all mighty SOTAR? He’s like the magic man who speaks to your AR.

Think dog whisperer for AR’s.

newmuzzleloader · Jul 10, 2019

holesonpaper said:
Don’t know the all mighty SOTAR? He’s like the magic man who speaks to your AR.

The AR whisperer.

jrhzn · Jul 10, 2019

holesonpaper said:
Don’t know the all mighty SOTAR? He’s like the magic man who speaks to your AR.

Think dog whisperer for AR’s.

If I knew, then would I have asked? :party29:

: party29: :lol:

: party29: :party29:

The google gods!

https://www.schooloftheamericanrifle.com/

3paul10 · Jul 10, 2019

He whispers to your AR because he knows many things.....

hobbycollector · Jul 10, 2019

If it’s just me I’d grab my AR-15. I have enough ammo and magazines to last for a bit. Definitely long enough to find my next rifle. If it’s my family, I’m using a 6.5 CM, my wife gets the .22LR, and my son would use the AR. That brings up another shortfall. I need more slings and another holster... and a bigger collection of rifles.

jrh0341 · Jul 12, 2019

jimbobborg said:
Yeah, we're really delicate with our rifles when we dump them in barrels or slam into barriers during stages. BTW, most of my brakes double as flash suppressors, backup sights take a few minutes to install, and a lot of people use and recommend Geissele triggers for hard use carbines and 3-gun.

Not exactly responding to the previous comment, but this just reminds me of one of my favorite things about the AR, its a workhorse, the AR is a magificent beast.

Think about it. Some people like to say ARs are finicky, some people act like their rifles are made of glass.

In reality though, look at military recruit training.

If you see a class of Marine recruits, their rifles are NOT gucci. They are well made, government contract from colt or FN, but they are factory bone stock. No upgrades. And they are USED. Not "lightly used". No they are the definition of old hand-me-downs.

They don't get babied. They get beaten like rented mules.

The life of a Marine recruit training rifle means:

The parade deck - inevitably being dropped and kicked by clumsy new recruits.

The field - being carried in the rain. Stacked in the dirt. Moisture? After a day of activity that sweaty recruit is sleeping with it in his bag with him.

The assault course - being dragged through mud and sand. Being used to clear wire obstacles. Being slammed and stabbed into bayonet training dummies (basically a telephone pole wrapped in old tires). Being made into improvised stretchers supporting people's full bodyweight.

Point is, those rifles take that kind of 3 month long beating, every cycle, only to be passed off the next class after, and the next after that

but those recruits take those exact same rifles out to the range and score hits out to 500 yards

Those rifles just keep on tickin

(I mean, again, the folks who invented these machines designed them to be battlefield worthy)

clandestine · Jul 12, 2019

CyclicUpvote said:
Not exactly responding to the previous comment, but this just reminds me of one of my favorite things about the AR, its a workhorse, the AR is a magificent beast.

Think about it. Some people like to say ARs are finicky, some people act like their rifles are made of glass.

In reality though, look at military recruit training.

If you see a class of Marine recruits, their rifles are NOT gucci. They are well made, government contract from colt or FN, but they are factory bone stock. No upgrades. And they are USED. Not "lightly used". No they are the definition of old hand-me-downs.

They don't get babied. They get beaten like rented mules.

The life of a Marine recruit training rifle means:

The parade deck - inevitably being dropped and kicked by clumsy new recruits.

The field - being carried in the rain. Stacked in the dirt. Moisture? After a day of activity that sweaty recruit is sleeping with it in his bag with him.

The assault course - being dragged through mud and sand. Being used to clear wire obstacles. Being slammed and stabbed into bayonet training dummies (basically a telephone pole wrapped in old tires). Being made into improvised stretchers supporting people's full bodyweight.

Point is, those rifles take that kind of 3 month long beating, every cycle, only to be passed off the next class after, and the next after that

but those recruits take those exact same rifles out to the range and score hits out to 500 yards

Those rifles just keep on tickin

(I mean, again, the folks who invented these machines designed them to be battlefield worthy)

You probably will be hard pressed to find anyone who is as much of an AR fan as I.

Truth be told, Military issued AR's (M4's) are often put together a certain way, and are made from materials so they can endure some abuse. The Optics and Accessories are often very resistant to abuse.

Civilian AR's, and Accessories, it's not always the case. Especially in regards to HOW it's out together. Most people don't want to stake their castle nut or gas key because they have the "good enuf" mentality.

Doco Overboard · Jul 12, 2019

Thats probably why I would just grab an old LE or C&r rifle with some stripper clips in a belt.

fidelity · Jul 12, 2019

jrhzn said:
Great thoughts! By the way, what is a SOTAR class?

If my family was traveling with me (and if we're leaving the home, they definitely are), they would get the SOTARized Colts in that top pic.

(Yes, even if you don't take the class, you can have your rifles brought up to spec. The 6920 HBPW in that pic actually needed minor work. The 6721, less so.)

Speed3 · Jul 12, 2019

I don't own a complete AR that hasn't been SOTARized, so I'm good lol

bigdv · Jul 12, 2019

Has anyone said AK? I have an AK chambered in 223. Not sure if I would grab that or one of the ARs? Or my 10/22. Life is full of really tough decisions. Hopefully this will never be one of them.

TheOriginalMexicanBob · Jul 12, 2019

clandestine said:
Civilian AR's, and Accessories, it's not always the case. Especially in regards to HOW it's out together. Most people don't want to stake their castle nut or gas key because they have the "good enuf" mentality.

Very true...not all civilian AR brands are mil spec...you don't know whether the parts are close to spec or manufacturer seconds sold to companies that specialize in low buck rifles.

The reason why AR/M4 rifles and carbines from some companies are more expensive is because all the product quality control testing doesn't come cheap...those costs are passed along. For the most part you get what you pay for.

Occam · Jul 13, 2019

clandestine said:
Civilian AR's, and Accessories, it's not always the case. Especially in regards to HOW it's out together. Most people don't want to stake their castle nut or gas key because they have the "good enuf" mentality.

I'd go so far as to say there's a loose dollar threshold (on off-the-shelf ARs). Below a certain amount (I'll go with $1000, ish, not counting optics) things just don't feel as solid. Perfectly shootable for someone just having some fun, which - let's face it - accounts for the wild majority of AR use. But when I look at one with "what if" in mind, man, those bargain ARs actually look scary to me now, just sitting there. All the more so having followed your example material for a while!

Exceptions, to be sure. Expensive junk, or great prices on something very well put together. But $500 does indeed feel like about half of a $1000 rifle in the hands, if we're talking about ready-to-shoot from the LGS.

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