Trump "warned" by NRA

BradyWarrior said:

Don’t worry guys and gals. Orange Man said we were going to “cherish the Second Amendment”, when it was running for office.

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zoostation said:

I think what we're going to see is, like always, he's going to do what's best for his own personal goals. Hopefully he'll see that he cannot possibly win the next election if he alienates so much of his base. But then again he issued a completely bogus executive order against bump fire stocks, and the gun comunity seems to have forgotten about that already. His advisers may be figuring he can win again even if he supports some more gun control, because there was so little complaining done about the bump fire stock order, and whatever marxist being proposed by the Democrats will be such an awful alternative.

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BradyWarrior said:

Agreed.

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Bob A said:

^^^^
All true, and an excellent post by a new member. Thank you, sir.

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ezracer said:

...And yes, there is mental illness and that needs to be seriously addressed.

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rambling_one said:

Many R’s will weigh court appointments against such things as the bump stock and... .

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bigmanindc said:

I have a question, UBC to my knowledge is that if I sell a gun to an individual then the person that I am selling it to needs to go through a BC is that correct? I don't want to hear conspiracy theories on what there gonna take next but what is the problem with that.

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rockstarr said:

UBC is an awful idea.

precursor to registration imo, which is the precursor to confiscation.

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j_h_smith said:

It is a registration. Called something else, but it effectively is a registration.

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Starting in 2003, the U.S. Congress passed increasingly strong language to keep this information confidential. The legislation—a series of "riders" to the appropriations bill that funds BATFE—is widely known as the "Tiahrt Amendment," after its sponsor, former U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.). That provision was made permanent in 2006 as a part of the fiscal 2007 Appropriations bill to fund the Justice Department. In 2009, the provision was amended to further strengthen the protections for undercover law enforcement operations and confidential informants.
Despite complaints from anti-gun activists, there are many good reasons for continuing to keep this information confidential:
Releasing the information serves no useful purpose. The Congressional Research Service has repeatedly said "firearm trace data may be biased" and "cannot be used to test for statistical significance between firearm traces in general and the wider population of firearms available to criminals or the wider American public.”[1] These limitations exist because the "tracing system is an operational system designed to help law enforcement agencies identify the ownership path of individual firearms. It was not designed to collect statistics."[2]
Traced guns aren’t always “crime guns”; firearms may be traced for reasons unrelated to any armed crime. The BATFE trace request form lists “crime codes” for traffic offenses and election law violations, among many others.
Trace information remains available for law enforcement use. The permanent version of the Tiahrt amendment ensures that trace data is available to federal, state, and local agencies "in connection with and for use in a bona fide criminal investigation or prosecution" or for use in administrative actions by BATFE—the principal agency responsible for overseeing the conduct of federally licensed firearms dealers. The language and history of the Gun Control Act are clear: Congress always intended to keep this information confidential, and to allow its use only for legitimate law enforcement purposes. The firearms trace database includes information such as the agency requesting a gun trace, the location from which the gun was recovered, and the identity of the dealer and original retail buyer.
Both BATFE and the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) oppose release of trace data. In fact, BATFE has fought for years in the federal courts to keep trace records confidential, because they contain information (such as names of gun buyers) that could jeopardize ongoing investigations—not to mention law enforcement officers’ lives. For example, a suspected gun trafficker could search publicly released information for names of "straw purchasers" he had used to buy handguns, or for traces requested on guns he had sold. That information could lead him to names of officers, informants and witnesses against his crimes. (View commentary by FOP President Chuck Canterbury from April 24, 2007)
NRA is committed to ensuring confidentiality of sensitive law enforcement information, and strongly opposes any effort to repeal the Tiahrt Amendment or any effort by the executive branch, or by state or local governments, to avoid its restrictions.

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Trace information remains available for law enforcement use.

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whistlersmother said:

Annnddd... that's a problem, too...

Doesn't take much tinfoil, after Obama especially, to envision such records being used by IRS to leverage gun roundups... just takes a law being passed so that it can be enforced.

This is why, IMO, that 80% and other homemade arms are absolutely required for a free state.

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The language and history of the Gun Control Act are clear: Congress always intended to keep this information confidential, and to allow its use only for legitimate law enforcement purposes. The firearms trace database includes information such as the agency requesting a gun trace, the location from which the gun was recovered, and the identity of the dealer and original retail buyer.

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