Buying stripped lowers in MD

eurocarnut · Sep 23, 2017

I'm looking into buying a stripped AR9 lower. Do I need an HQL? Will I have to fill out a 77r? Are they cash and carry?

I've searched on this forum and the answers seem to be all OVER the place.

EarnestT · Sep 23, 2017

Depends on which ffl you choose. I have bought cash n carry and had to do 77r on others. good luck

eurocarnut · Sep 23, 2017

EarnestT said:
Depends on which ffl you choose. I have bought cash n carry and had to do 77r on others. good luck

What are some of the FFLs that will do cash and carry? I'd rather not have to fill out a 77r if I can avoid it.

balttigger · Sep 23, 2017

Because an AR lower can be built into a pistol, you are required to fill out a e77r but you are not required to have an HQL. Start your e77r online and take the PIN with you to the FFL. You will also have to do a 4473 at the time of sale and wait until you get the 8-day wait email from MDSP before you can pick it up.

It's a contrived royal pain in the derriere, but ~ Maryland.

eurocarnut · Sep 23, 2017

balttigger said:
Because an AR lower can be built into a pistol, you are required to fill out a e77r but you are not required to have an HQL. Start your e77r online and take the PIN with you to the FFL. You will also have to do a 4473 at the time of sale and wait until you get the 8-day wait email from MDSP before you can pick it up.

It's a contrived royal pain in the derriere, but ~ Maryland.

Hmm. I don't know if the e77r existed the last time I purchased a pistol in Maryland (It was pre-sb281). I plan on building it out with a shockwave blade and a 4" PSA Upper. Is it safe for me to buy the upper right now or should I wait until I have a pistol lower?

EarnestT · Sep 23, 2017

secretsquirrel35 said:
What are some of the FFLs that will do cash and carry? I'd rather not have to fill out a 77r if I can avoid it.

Engage is where I bought mine cash n carry

danb · Sep 23, 2017

MDSP guidance is that AR lowers require the 77r (now electronic 77e), 7 day wait, but no HQL.

This is the MDSP advisory. The logic appears to be the fact that the AR lower was regulated prior to FSA 2013.

http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document D...3 - Receivers of Banned Assault Long Guns.pdf

It should not depend on which FFL you go to, but it might depend what type of lower you buy. If it is not a true "AR" lower (i.e. dedicated 9mm that accepts Glock mags), and was unregulated prior to FSA 2013, cash and carry.

swinokur · Sep 23, 2017

One plus is that once you do buy the lower, you can use it as a training exemption if you decide to get the HQL, as it's considered a regulated firearm by MSP.

Stupid? you bet.

It's Maryland.

danb · Sep 23, 2017

swinokur said:
One plus is that once you do buy the lower, you can use it as a training exemption if you decide to get the HQL, as it's considered a regulated firearm by MSP.

Stupid? you bet.

It's Maryland.

yeah I forgot about this. MD is crazy stupid with gun laws.

swinokur · Sep 23, 2017

The other MSP reason is if a lower can be built into a pistol, it will be treated as a regulated firearm.

If a lower can be built into a pistol configuration, MSP will consider it regulated.

YMMV

TylerFirearms · Sep 23, 2017

secretsquirrel35 said:
What are some of the FFLs that will do cash and carry? I'd rather not have to fill out a 77r if I can avoid it.

If it's a dedicated 9mm lower, then it's not an AR15 lower, so it's treated like a long gun - cash and carry. That's how we treat them.

I'm the defense of dealers who do the 77R for all lowers, guidance from MSP is sketchy at best. Talk to 10 Troopers, get 6 different answers. Some dealers have chosen to err on the side of caution and have you do the 77R. When you're dealing with the people who control your livelihood, sometimes you bow to their infinite wisdom... LOL

EarnestT · Sep 23, 2017

TylerFirearms said:
If it's a dedicated 9mm lower, then it's not an AR15 lower, so it's treated like a long gun - cash and carry. That's how we treat them.

I'm the defense of dealers who do the 77R for all lowers, guidance from MSP is sketchy at best. Talk to 10 Troopers, get 6 different answers. Some dealers have chosen to err on the side of caution and have you do the 77R. When you're dealing with the people who control your livelihood, sometimes you bow to their infinite wisdom... LOL

Thanks for that clarification.

swinokur · Sep 23, 2017

So true

EarnestT · Sep 23, 2017

I hate this state

outrider58 · Sep 23, 2017

EarnestT said:
Engage is where I bought mine cash n carry

+1 For Engage. If you can find one somewhere, they'll be able to handle the transfer. United Guns can also handle the transfer, but I'm not sure of their policy regarding dedicated 9mm stripped lowers. Worth the ask though.

hit3961 · Sep 23, 2017

secretsquirrel35 said:
I'm looking into buying a stripped AR9 lower. Do I need an HQL? Will I have to fill out a 77r? Are they cash and carry?

I've searched on this forum and the answers seem to be all OVER the place.

Buy 2 one 9mm ,and one 5.56; make one a pistal and one a rifle. I was told you buy 2 a month.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but a ar15 pistal can have "the evil features " that the 2013
Said no to; and can be set up with a rifle length barrel?

swinokur · Sep 23, 2017

The FSA defines a copycat as a center fire rifle. So by definitions pistol is exempt.

Correct me if I'm wrong

hit3961 · Sep 23, 2017

swinokur said:
The FSA defines a copycat as a center fire rifle. So by definitions pistol is exempt.

Correct me if I'm wrong

So my pistal can have a bushmaster dress for the weekend.

danb · Sep 23, 2017

well, one of the "evil features" is a folding stock. Add that and it would no longer be a pistol.

Also, not sure about "rifle" length barrel. Think one needs to stay <16".

hit3961 said:
So my pistal can have a bushmaster dress for the weekend.

Making a gun with a "pistol" length barrel and a ~~folding~~ stock is also a problem. That is an SBR under ATF rules.

hit3961 · Sep 23, 2017

danb said:
well, one of the "evil features" is a folding stock. Add that and it would no longer be a pistol.

Also, not sure about "rifle" length barrel. Think one needs to stay <16".

Making a gun with a "pistol" length barrel and a ~~folding~~ stock is also a problem. That is an SBR under ATF rules.

Is a folding stock the same as a folding sig brace?

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