SHTF Rifles!!!

next month, I'll be spending time in many developing countries for multiple medical missions. Some places will be remote and infested with pirates, Abu sayyaf, Terrorist, gangs.... I will be packing my trusty Glock18. I can also borrow an M4 or AK( type 56) from the local Military.

I have only one requirement for a SHTF firearm:

Availability of ammo.

Any other issues I would overcome with cleaning, maintenance, makeshift repairs, good shot placement, etc.

Tom

SCARCQB said:

next month, I'll be spending time in many developing countries for multiple medical missions. Some places will be remote and infested with pirates, Abu sayyaf, Terrorist, gangs.... I will be packing my trusty Glock18. I can also borrow an M4 or AK( type 56) from the local Military.

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make sure you take lots of pics of guns and pretty girls

fivepointstar said:

make sure you take lots of pics of guns and pretty girls

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Got something better in mind... If customs will allow it... I'll bring you back a genuine batangas made " balisong" ( from the town of balisong). High carbon. damascus steel blade with stag horn grips. and pictures of hot women. LOL

SCARCQB said:

I will be packing my trusty Glock18.

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Suppressed M&P 15-22 and a Suppressed Ruger MKIII, and about 10K rounds in a portable system. Shot Placement!

i mean i think getting in and out of a car will be a key point thats why i said a underfolder

SCARCQB said:

Got something better in mind... If customs will allow it... I'll bring you back a genuine batangas made " balisong" ( from the town of balisong). High carbon. damascus steel blade with stag horn grips. and pictures of hot women. LOL

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just send too me and bring me back a hot chick than enjoys cleaning the pipes...we need a maid

You can keep their women...


But the balisong...

If the SHTF today, since I just got my first AR yesterday, I would have to go with my Mini-14. Give me a few trips to the range to get accustomed to the AR platform and I will probably switch my answer to AR-15.

I'm not going anywhere, and if you are basing this on common calibers because you don't have enough stock on hand, you're screwed. Finding ammo? Really? Hundreds of other people will have beat you to it. I want a round that turns cover into concealment and a rifle that's easy to load and I don't have to shoot someone twice to put them down. One of my Enfields would do this, either one of my SMLEs or my 1917. If I run out of ammo, the 18" bayonets for these would make for enough intimidation to scare off the small fry.

For SHTF, and the reasoning already discussed, my AR10 carbine fits the bill.

Not to thread jack...but how many of you honestly believe that if the economy fell, or things got worse then they already are, or whatever shtf world you have created in your mind, that you would get much use out of your rifles?

Im serious here...think about what would happen if the dollar fell through...now think about the use of your ars, aks, minis or whatever...how much use do you really think you would get out of it?

What type of S we talking about? Waves of zombies? invasion by other nation? situation like Cormac McCarthy's "The Road"? I ask because i would think it would influence my choice. I do think i would want a more "simple" rifle with less moving parts to replace and in common caliber (.30-06)?

Nemsis, as the old adage goes: better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.

In most situations, having the rifle is a mental comfort thing. If you do have a problem, unless society has gone to condition "Road Warrior", having an AR or AK should persuade looters or angry mobs to move on. As seen in the LA riots with the Asians protecting their stores the roving, rioting mobs steered clear.

Hynes57 said:

What type of S we talking about? Waves of zombies? invasion by other nation? situation like Cormac McCarthy's "The Road"? I ask because i would think it would influence my choice. I do think i would want a more "simple" rifle with less moving parts to replace and in common caliber (.30-06)?

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Thats what i want to know, really...what situation do you think you would need something like a ar, or a ar10 for that matter? Have considerations been made for the reprocussions of using something like this? It honestly concerns me that so many people seem so excited to grab their rifle and, for what it seems, go to war with anything that moves...

RCH said:

Nemsis, as the old adage goes: better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.

In most situations, having the rifle is a mental comfort thing. If you do have a problem, unless society has gone to condition "Road Warrior", having an AR or AK should persuade looters or angry mobs to move on. As seen in the LA riots wiht the Asians protecting their stores the roving, rioting mobs steered clear.

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A mob armed with rocks and sticks sure...but let me ask you this...if you see someone, or a group of people, armed with aks and ars or whatever...do you see them as a threat to you? If you consider them a possible threat how do you react? Being armed in such a way may ward off those who are less armed...but it also makes you a target for scared, trigger happy paranoids...




Edit: im not going to hijack this topic though...this stuff just bothers me...seems like so many are far to eager to run into a movie situation that they do not even realize that if things do go bad their not going to be any better than any other criminal, or 'bad guy'...the worst are those who will want to play sniper...there is nothing defensive about shooting someone who does not even know you are there...sorry

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Not to thread jack...but how many of you honestly believe that if the economy fell, or things got worse then they already are, or whatever shtf world you have created in your mind, that you would get much use out of your rifles?

Im serious here...think about what would happen if the dollar fell through...now think about the use of your ars, aks, minis or whatever...how much use do you really think you would get out of it?

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Yeah... an adequate food supply and a place to hide would probably be the best investment. Most folks on here are already armed to the teeth.

If you're on the move a KISS AR, AK, or shotgun and any reliable sidearm would probably be good bet.

I've always said AK due to the reliability. But realistically, does it really matter what you choose (within reason) for a SHTF situation? Are we talking about a temporary breakdown in rule of law? Then it doesn't really matter since you will probably not be using the firearm enough to cause reliability or ammo availability to be a factor. If, for whatever reason (EOTWAWKIT), you are fighting enough that you burn through your ammo (and you've survived), then you will in all likelihood have acquired firearms/ammo from those you have defeated, and again, weapon/ammo choice doesn't really matter. Anyone who believes they will scavenge more ammo from other sources is simply delusional. Those sources will dry up in days and you will be left with whatever you have on hand. Unless you plan on simply attacking other people/groups and taking their supplies.

I'd still go with an AK (probably a AK47 Krinkov) for its ruggedness, and the 7.62x39 round for versatility. IMO the best commonly available round for use within 150m (the limit you will probably be engaging anyone at in this kind of situation).

All this also depends onthe situation, and what how you are responding to it.Are you going to stay put? Then you will have your entire firearms collection and ammo stash available, so, again, weapon choice doesn't really matter. Are you bugging out? Then your ability to carry supplies will severely limit what you take with you. In this situation you will also not be shooting thousands of rounds, since you will not have that much ammo with you. (See later part of previous paragraph) You will be walking after all, since availability of gasoline, and impassable roads will probably prevent automobile use. (Autos would also be very unsafe due to people setting up roadblocks/ambushes, and since a person on foot can normally only carry three days worth of supplies....)

Also, most people have no idea how hard it is to "Live off the land". Just because you go out and hunt, doesn't mean you can support yourself or your family as a Hunter Gatherer; particularly when everyone else will have the same idea. Long term survival will in large part depend on luck, more than anything else, and you can't include luck in your supply stash.

Nemesis said:

Thats what i want to know, really...what situation do you think you would need something like a ar, or a ar10 for that matter? Have considerations been made for the reprocussions of using something like this? It honestly concerns me that so many people seem so excited to grab their rifle and, for what it seems, go to war with anything that moves...

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I think this community lends itself to thinking / prepping for the Katrina style events. I agree that some people out there will engage anything that moves out of fear, however there are a lot more that will remain level headed.