Sig P365

pilot25 · May 28, 2018

Zzzzz_man said:
Companies who do this can seriously go fvck themselves. I'll no longer purchase their products or do business with them in any way, shape or form. To me, it represents the height of disrespect for me, as their customer.

Understood.

I'm still going to reserve a little judgement based on the fact MAC is known to not like Sig. Everyone is entitled to their bias but if he is going to promote himself as an unbiased reviewer then every product should get a fair shot. Quite possibly he got a lemon. Its one reason I like the Hickock guy. Although he is quite possibly too positive about everything he reviews he admits he is a Glock guy and doesn't appear to go into any review with a predisposition.

I started looking at CZ because of MACs glowing reviews until I found out he visited a CZ factory and they use his videos for marketing on their site. I'm sure it wasn't for free. Its like the review sites like "Top10." They get paid to promote products in the guise of reviews. All very nefarious to those just looking for a quality product.

Not saying this problem isn't a bad one but so far I don't see a whole lot of mass complaints. Not yet at least.

DC-W · May 28, 2018

I was allowed to shoot one of these yesterday at a dueling tree. Feels great in the hands. Love the big bright dot front sight. Couldn’t hit the plates with it with the 10rds I put through it though...

Others were nailing the plates without issue, so I’d need a whole lot more practice with it. Had trouble with a p320 the first time I handled one too. Just that much different than the glocks I’m so used to.

ForcedSig · May 28, 2018

My agency was looking at these for backup weapons/desk jockey issue. We put around 20,000 rounds through one and were suitably impressed. Despite being a Glock fan, I'm not a fan of the G43. I really like my S&W Shield but I think I'm going to retire in in favor of the 365. We even have a notoriously anti Sig guy involved in the testing that was unable to come up with a reason for us not to go forward with the 365.

pilot25 · May 28, 2018

ForcedSig said:
My agency was looking at these for backup weapons/desk jockey issue. We put around 20,000 rounds through one and were suitably impressed. Despite being a Glock fan, I'm not a fan of the G43. I really like my S&W Shield but I think I'm going to retire in in favor of the 365. We even have a notoriously anti Sig guy involved in the testing that was unable to come up with a reason for us not to go forward with the 365.

Seriously 20,000 rounds?

Czechnologist · May 28, 2018

pilot25 said:
Understood.

I'm still going to reserve a little judgement based on the fact MAC is known to not like Sig. Everyone is entitled to their bias but if he is going to promote himself as an unbiased reviewer then every product should get a fair shot. Quite possibly he got a lemon. Its one reason I like the Hickock guy. Although he is quite possibly too positive about everything he reviews he admits he is a Glock guy and doesn't appear to go into any review with a predisposition.

I started looking at CZ because of MACs glowing reviews until I found out he visited a CZ factory and they use his videos for marketing on their site. I'm sure it wasn't for free. Its like the review sites like "Top10." They get paid to promote products in the guise of reviews. All very nefarious to those just looking for a quality product.

Not saying this problem isn't a bad one but so far I don't see a whole lot of mass complaints. Not yet at least.

I haven't watched enough MAC videos to know their history of bias against Sig products but, yeah, like you said, they were unashamedly orgasmic when the CZ P-10 first became available for review and downright brutal when issues with the Sig P-320 started cropping-up. It's hard to find a YouTube reviewer who isn't biased in some way or another, though. I tend to take all of them with a grain of salt.

If Sig's past track record of resolving new product issues is any indication, the broken firing pin/primer drag issue will eventually be fixed but, not before it becomes a major PITA for owners to get it resolved quickly. I think this is only the beginning.

Mr. Ed · May 28, 2018

I was binge watching youtube videos on the P-365 this morning, and in one of the MAC ones (I think) the narrator admitted that he did A LOT of dry firing, probably as much or more than live fire. And he conceded that his dry firing MIGHT have contributed to the firing pin issue.

I don't think that should cause the firing pin to break, but if the other comments about the metallurgy in the pins is true, then the combination of sub-optimal metal, primer smear and dry firing just might have something to do with the pin breakage.

As one of the many folks waiting for this pistol to get out of the MD purgatory/twilight zone, I really hope that SIG has fixed the pin problem. Still not sure what to make of the primer smear issue, but maybe that'll get fixed at the same time. I'd hate to buy a carry gun that I can't trust completely for the extremely rare times I get to carry when I'm in the rest of the country and outside of the People's Republic of Marylandistan.

Schipperke · May 28, 2018

Are the firing pins metal injected mold process?

rascal · May 28, 2018

I've got a close relative one with one in Pa. He has his own farm and range, and enough lucre to put lots and lots of rounds through his handgun collection and he has had no problems after quite a few thousand rounds through his p365, which I've put maybe 400 rounds through myself.

Blaster229 · May 28, 2018

ForcedSig said:
My agency was looking at these for backup weapons/desk jockey issue. We put around 20,000 rounds through one and were suitably impressed. Despite being a Glock fan, I'm not a fan of the G43. I really like my S&W Shield but I think I'm going to retire in in favor of the 365. We even have a notoriously anti Sig guy involved in the testing that was unable to come up with a reason for us not to go forward with the 365.

At what round count did you replace the barrel?

ForcedSig · May 28, 2018

I don't make the requirements, I'm just one of the people that conduct the tests. Apparently there was an issue during a previous test years ago with only doing 10K rounds and there was some issue with cracks in the frame after 15K due to using required ammo.

Barrel was NOT replaced. The argument to that was the vast majority of the agency issued duty weapons (14 years old) have not had barrel changes and many of them are over the 20K mark after being recycled through numerous training classes, schools, quals etc. They just wanted us to beat them up and see what broke/didn't break for reliability etc.

AssMan · May 29, 2018

Not going to watch the MAC videos because he’s an arrogant jackass, but I’ve been seeing issues noted with the p365 - mostly related to the firing pin - from other sources.

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pilot25 · May 29, 2018

snallygaster said:
Not going to watch the MAC videos because he’s an arrogant jackass

That is hysterical, right there.

I wonder what is going to happen with these channels now that Google isn't paying them. I think many of Hickock's firearms are mostly donated for a video review. He always gives credit in the beginning of the review to the donating shop. I don't think a lot of the other reviewers are as fortunate.

pilot25 · Jun 6, 2018

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...source=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

AssMan · Jun 6, 2018

pilot25 said:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...source=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

Interesting. That first commenter made a great point about round counts.

Cal68 · Jun 7, 2018

Does anyone know if The Machine Gun Nest has the Sig P365 available for rent? I'd like to check one out before deciding if I want to buy one. Thanks all.

Cal68

pilot25 · Jun 7, 2018

Yes they do

Cal68 · Jun 8, 2018

pilot25 said:
Yes they do

Great, thanks my friend. I'll have to go over and rent one to check it out.

Cal68

Mr. Ed · Jun 19, 2018

Yippee!! Not disapproved. Picking one up this afternoon from 2A. :bannana:

Stoveman · Jun 19, 2018

Mr. Ed said:
Yippee!! Not disapproved. Picking one up this afternoon from 2A.

Surprised I didn't run into you there. Picked up mine before heading out to the HPRB meeting.

Mr. Ed · Jun 20, 2018

I figured I'd see a lot of us there too, but no known MDSers.

Stripped, cleaned and lubed it last night. I'm hoping that the initial roughness of the bearing surfaces and trigger will smooth out with use. Also going to try to find the alleged 12 round mags somewhere in a free state. :innocent0

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