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Old February 14th, 2020, 08:45 PM #161
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Gentlemen, I cannot see how this garbage gets enforced.
It cannot be.
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Thus, the only inquiry that this Court should conduct is to determine whether the firearms prohibited by the Act are protected by the Second Amendment. Because they are, the Act is simply unconstitutional.
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This is total crap. There is also no way to legitimize legally completed products either, even if you can legally buy handguns either. I really hope this bill keeps failing.


Side note, since the bill text says "Person", this could potentially be bypassed with the ownership of a completed gun being a shell company. You could argue it was built by the shell company and your possession is due to you being the sole employee and thus not a "Person" the law applied to.
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This is total crap. There is also no way to legitimize legally completed products either, even if you can legally buy handguns either. I really hope this bill keeps failing.


Side note, since the bill text says "Person", this could potentially be bypassed with the ownership of a completed gun being a shell company. You could argue it was built by the shell company and your possession is due to you being the sole employee and thus not a "Person" the law applied to.
That would be a crime. You, a person, May manufacture a firearm for your personal use. You may sell it later if that was not your intention when it was built. The shell company manufacturing it could not build it for you, or else they’d need an manufacturers FFL. Nor could the company build it for themselves with you being the sole employee.
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That would be a crime. You, a person, May manufacture a firearm for your personal use. You may sell it later if that was not your intention when it was built. The shell company manufacturing it could not build it for you, or else they’d need an manufacturers FFL. Nor could the company build it for themselves with you being the sole employee.
But, you don't need an FFL if the gun isn't changing ownership.
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This is total crap. There is also no way to legitimize legally completed products either, even if you can legally buy handguns either. I really hope this bill keeps failing.


Side note, since the bill text says "Person", this could potentially be bypassed with the ownership of a completed gun being a shell company. You could argue it was built by the shell company and your possession is due to you being the sole employee and thus not a "Person" the law applied to.
Do more than hope. Join the fight. Contact your reps. Come to Annapolis and testify if you can. Tell all of your friends, relatives, and acquaintances. Get them into the fight as well.
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But, you don't need an FFL if the gun isn't changing ownership.
Look at ATF regulations. A person may build a firearm for personal use without an FFL. A company cannot. A company requires a manufacturers FFL if they are to construct firearms either for sale or for any other reason.

So you wearing your hat as the company could not legally build a gun unless you had the appropriate FFL. You as an individual could build said gun, but you could not then transfer it in to possession of the company (well you could if that hadn’t been your intent when you built the gun, but that’s a pretty thin veil to hide behind).
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Look at ATF regulations. A person may build a firearm for personal use without an FFL. A company cannot. A company requires a manufacturers FFL if they are to construct firearms either for sale or for any other reason.

So you wearing your hat as the company could not legally build a gun unless you had the appropriate FFL. You as an individual could build said gun, but you could not then transfer it in to possession of the company (well you could if that hadn’t been your intent when you built the gun, but that’s a pretty thin veil to hide behind).
Don’t forget that a big part of our system of government is State’s Rights. There is nothing in the Federal law you cite that makes it illegal for a State to impose further restrictions on the making of firearms for personal use.
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I have decided that when I finish my first build, I will serialize it.

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I have decided that when I finish my first build, I will serialize it.

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