Rep. Hudson to introduce Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

GlocksAndPatriots · Mar 21, 2017

I see all of your point, but I just don't trust the GOP Congress. The fact that they said this isn't a major project and that they'd be happy to let it languish for two years makes me think they're not serious about EVER passing it.

GlocksAndPatriots · Mar 21, 2017

hitwtom said:
For what it's worth, at the rally/speech last night Trump made a statement about supporting 2A, so it's on his mind.

It's not Trump I'm worried about.

Fox123 · Mar 21, 2017

It's not a problem for most of the country. And the parts of the country that it is a problem, the elected representatives from there don't care and want to go the other way.

Trump can say he's all for the 2A. But he says "protect our second amendment" he doesn't say advance. I take that to mean he will veto anti bills but not going to push pro bills.

GlocksAndPatriots · Mar 21, 2017

Fox123 said:
It's not a problem for most of the country. And the parts of the country that it is a problem, the elected representatives from there don't care and want to go the other way.

Trump can say he's all for the 2A. But he says "protect our second amendment" he doesn't say advance. I take that to mean he will veto anti bills but not going to push pro bills.

Not necessarily true (there are Republican legislators in those states) but they're going to have to push their leaders hard.

swinokur · Mar 22, 2017

HR.38 180 cosponsors +1

S.446 36 cosponsors no change

swinokur · Mar 23, 2017

HR.38 181 cosponsors +1
S.446 36 cosponsors no change

swinokur · Mar 23, 2017

This attorney wants the bill's language changed to use the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the COTUS, rather than the Commerce Clause..

IANAL.

Maybe one of our legal eagles can comment on what this does to NR permit home state carry provisions. My read is that would be eliminated. :tdown:

I think the other intent was to guarantee reciprocity to residents of Constitutional carry states. I don't see the claimed ambiguity since the use of the word OR seems pretty clear.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tm_term=.70051ec1af33&wpisrc=nl_volokh&wpmm=1
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motorcoachdoug · Mar 24, 2017

I sent an e mail asking them what about those who live in states where they have to provide a G&S reason and the state will not accept "self defense and or all other lawful purposes" and or its next to impossible to get a concealed permit.

swinokur · Mar 24, 2017

The house version HR 38 allows carry in your home state on a non resident permit. The Senate version S. 446 does not.

If both versions pass their respective houses, then a conference committee will have to reconcile the differences. Who knows what that would look like.

esqappellate · Mar 24, 2017

swinokur said:
This attorney wants the bill's language changed to use the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the COTUS, rather than the Commerce Clause..

IANAL.

Maybe one of our legal eagles can comment on what this does to NR permit home state carry provisions. My read is that would be eliminated.

I think the other intent was to guarantee reciprocity to residents of Constitutional carry states. I don't see the claimed ambiguity since the use of the word OR seems pretty clear.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tm_term=.70051ec1af33&wpisrc=nl_volokh&wpmm=1
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This is a really good legal article. I agree, it may well eliminate NR permits use in MD. But there are limits to what the Federal government can command the States to do or not do. And those limits are important. Tomorrow, the antis may be back in the majority. We will want those limits then.

DC-W · Mar 24, 2017

esqappellate said:
This is a really good legal article. I agree, it may well eliminate NR permits use in MD. But there are limits to what the Federal government can command the States to do or not do. And those limits are important. Tomorrow, the antis may be back in the majority. We will want those limits then.

Interesting read, as are most of Volokh's posts.

swinokur · Mar 24, 2017

Thank you for your input Counselor.

Perhaps Rep. Hudson will take this recommendation. As one of the 365, I would still love to carry in MD on my NH NR permit.

swinokur · Mar 24, 2017

The article was actually written by Will Baude, but under the Volokh Conspiracy group of opinions..

Not a huge difference, but worthy of a hat tip.

DC-W · Mar 24, 2017

swinokur said:
The article was actually written by Will Baude, but under the Volokh Conspiracy group of opinions..

Not a huge difference, but worthy of a hat tip.

Ah, thanks for having better eyes on it than I.

GlocksAndPatriots · Mar 24, 2017

esqappellate said:
This is a really good legal article. I agree, it may well eliminate NR permits use in MD. But there are limits to what the Federal government can command the States to do or not do. And those limits are important. Tomorrow, the antis may be back in the majority. We will want those limits then.

That's why a federal carry permit would be better.

swinokur · Mar 24, 2017

so they can give it to you and then take it back?

no thanks

Southwest Chuck · Mar 24, 2017

swinokur said:
This attorney wants the bill's language changed to use the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the COTUS, rather than the Commerce Clause..

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Why not justify the legislation under both? That would cover two bases in the event of the inevitable legal challenge. One may get tossed by the courts, but uphold the law under the other clause. No?

swinokur · Mar 24, 2017

Perhaps Esqappellate can comment.

Schipperke · Mar 24, 2017

So when does this all happen

swinokur · Mar 24, 2017

what do you mean by "all"? The suggestion was just a letter from a private citizen with suggestions to rewrite the bill using a different constitutional foundation besides the commerce clause.

Nothing says the bill would be rewritten.

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