Rock Island stuck in Jail

Rob R. · Sep 21, 2017

Bought a RIA 1911/2011 Tac 1911 for my birthday last month. After looking at the roster talking to the lady at the roster it appeared to be good to go also vendor on here sold the double stack version figured I was in the clear...

So here it is coming up on month later still can't take possession, as it's not verbatim listed on the roster.
Tac is on there, 1911a1 FS (full size) is on there caliber of 22/9mm is on there. Recently Rock put this gun under TCM line on the website to add more confusion but box says Tac Ultra
For great 1911 I'm surprised that no one in the entire state owns this model being out since 2011

Calling the lady who handles the roster tomorrow then I guess last resort is filling out petition..

So at this point maybe I'll see it by Christmas?

Wanted this gun since spring of last year, hate this state

Link to actual gun http://armscor.com/firearms/tcm-series/tcm-tac-ultra-fs-combo-22tcm-9mm/

5.56blaster · Sep 21, 2017

Maryland, it sucks here!

somd_mustangs · Sep 21, 2017

Hah, I was just looking at these last night....
I swear they changed the roster list for RIA when they recently moved/redesigned the web-site...
There were more entries, and 9mm was definitely listed for tactical models <or maybe my remembry unit is flawed?>

Also note caliber is just "38" now, not 38 Super like it was before (vice 38 special etc).
I think the site actually took a step or two backwards, as hard as that is to believe.

Also notice it says 1911-A1 FSP now, but 1911-A1 FS isn't listed anymore.
There is no "FSP" (or "CSP") as far as I can tell.... certainly not on the armscor site.

Rob R. · Sep 21, 2017

somd_mustangs said:
Hah, I was just looking at these last night....
I swear they changed the roster list for RIA when they recently moved/redesigned the web-site...
There were more entries, and 9mm was definitely listed for tactical models <or maybe my remembry unit is flawed?>

Also note caliber is just "38" now, not 38 Super like it was before (vice 38 special etc).
I think the site actually took a step or two backwards, as hard as that is to believe.

Also notice it says 1911-A1 FSP now, but 1911-A1 FS isn't listed anymore.
There is no "FSP" (or "CSP") as far as I can tell.... certainly not on the armscor site.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed the complete disaster that took place after moving site around. Before I'm 99% sure it was FS and 9mm as no one even knows what the hell FSP even is?
MSP just making up abbreviations now, before there were also model sku's like they do with the Rugers which obviously would make this all much easier to decipher

thomfantomas · Sep 21, 2017

Hah a petition

yes it is very very sad!

jimbobborg · Sep 21, 2017

That's pretty sad. I just bought that same firearm last month, cash and carry.

Matlack · Sep 21, 2017

If it was on the roster before the move, and you had a copy of the roster, I would provide that to the board and ask them why they changed it. If it wasn't and I were in this situation I would be talking with the dealer. I would provide them with 2 options, refund my money or they get it added the handgun board to add it to the roster. Add a time limit to how long they have to get it added.

Could the dealer have violated law by offering for sale a handgun that is banned? That might be the bargaining chip needed to get things moving in a direction that you want.

danb · Sep 21, 2017

Matlack said:
If it was on the roster before the move, and you had a copy of the roster, I would provide that to the board and ask them why they changed it. If it wasn't and I were in this situation I would be talking with the dealer. I would provide them with 2 options, refund my money or they get it added the handgun board to add it to the roster. Add a time limit to how long they have to get it added.

Could the dealer have violated law by offering for sale a handgun that is banned? That might be the bargaining chip needed to get things moving in a direction that you want.

It was probably offered for sale in good faith. The dealer can fill out the paperwork for the handgun roster and submit it for this gun extremely quickly. After that, the dealer has no control over how long it takes.

If people think it was there, it probably was there. One would have to dig through the minutes or COMAR to see when it was approved. COMAR/Maryland Register is the official record for the roster not the website.

danb · Sep 21, 2017

Incidentally, the latest Register has: http://www.dsd.state.md.us/MDR/4419.pdf

Rock Island Armory
1911 A1 FS TAC
Model # 51431
.45 ACP
Model Addition

(see page 46). If this is the same model... you should be good to take possession 9/15 + 30 days, so around 10/15.

Matlack · Sep 21, 2017

danb said:
It was probably offered for sale in good faith. The dealer can fill out the paperwork for the handgun roster and submit it for this gun extremely quickly. After that, the dealer has no control over how long it takes.

If people think it was there, it probably was there. One would have to dig through the minutes or COMAR to see when it was approved. COMAR/Maryland Register is the official record for the roster not the website.

I was just throwing out idea's to help him out.

Rob R. · Sep 21, 2017

Sorry guys should have mentioned I ordered this online and sent to my local FFL

My gun sku/model is
51961

danb · Sep 21, 2017

Did you call? What did they say?

Boom Boom · Sep 21, 2017

Submit the petition if need be. No big deal. Will take a few months. Zero chance of it being rejected. Worth the wait.

Rob R. · Sep 21, 2017

danb said:
Did you call? What did they say?

Today was crazy busy, tomorrow I will be calling her in the morning.

Also emailing Martin the CEO of Armscor to see if they would be willing to submit petitions for their line-up of 1911's and other handguns not currently on roster as I'm sure a lot more Marylanders would pick up some of these solid offerings... since most do not want to deal with filling out a form, crossing fingers it doesn't require an actual gun submission, basically begging for permission to spend $600+ on a gun that's kinda sorta already on there bs

Rob R. · Sep 23, 2017

Brought this to Martins attention, as Glock, Sig and other manufactuers actually submit their own guns for to the roster.
Currently Glock has their Gen5 already submitted for the October review

Rob R. · Sep 23, 2017

Called and spoke to the friendly lady who answers the phone in regards to the roster.
Looks like at this point I will just have to send in the petition. Which the initial date posted is not at all concrete as not all required parties can currently make that October 19th date.
So if this point it might be Christmas by the time I have this gun in my possession

I did have her add a couple guns that I'm interested in that are on roster just not the color/sku is not listed which they can do in house without the board review.

danb · Sep 23, 2017

Rob R. said:
Called and spoke to the friendly lady who answers the phone in regards to the roster.
Looks like at this point I will just have to send in the petition. Which the initial date posted is not at all concrete as not all required parties can currently make that October 19th date.
So if this point it might be Christmas by the time I have this gun in my possession

I did have her add a couple guns that I'm interested in that are on roster just not the color/sku is not listed which they can do in house without the board review.

Not really following... are you saying the some members of the roster cannot make Oct 19th and the meeting may get postponed?

Rob R. · Sep 23, 2017

danb said:
Not really following... are you saying the some members of the roster cannot make Oct 19th and the meeting may get postponed?

Correct, isn't this fantastic

KJackson · Sep 24, 2017

I ran into a similar problem a couple weeks ago when buying my Walther Creed. It took the guy and the LGS a little while to find it since they had it on the roster under 'Walther Arms'. Go figure.

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