So what if Hogan wins a Second term?

Matlack · May 8, 2018

Boondock Saint said:
"Had to sign it." Meaning, he chose to sign it because he determined that standing up for inalienable rights was not politically expedient.

I'm not voting for Hogan, period. Am I "a worthless POS?"

Didn't you have a failed run or two at office?

Have you ever tried to change your district or state? I have put my money and time where my mouth is.

Boondock Saint · May 8, 2018

Matlack said:
Have you ever tried to change your district or state? I have put my money and time where my mouth is.

Answer the question. Own what you said.

notguilty · May 8, 2018

So what if Hogan wins a Second term?

Then we will see the 2A champion we thought we had elected. :rolleyes:

BradMacc82 · May 8, 2018

CrueChief said:
I still don't understand the mentality of less bad is the name of the game. We are losing rights either way and those who advocate for a guy who would take fewer rights or take them slower is the right choice because the other guy will take them faster??? How does that make sense??? losing rights is losing rights, right? The only answer I see is leaving the state for the libs to run as they see fit and we all should move to America like the illegals. Because after all don't we all deserve the American Dream too?

44man said:
No offense meant but if you vote for hogan you have a very forgiving nature. He’s an anti and doesn’t deserve your vote, but it’s your vote and I would fight to the death so you can have it.

As much as I'd like to vote my heart, or vote with my feet. I've come to the realization that as a MD resident, the only choice we have when it comes to politics, is do you want to slowly bleed out, or die swiftly?

That's the choices we are given. As gun owners, the target placed on all of our backs is not going anywhere anytime soon.

So do we pick a marksman, or a shit-shot?

RepublicOfFranklin · May 8, 2018

If he wins a second term, still leaps and bounds better than a Democrat winning

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inkd · May 8, 2018

Matlack said:
If Hogan vetoed either bill he loses the governorship. It was a hand grenade the dems planned to throw at him this session no matter what. He tried to get a bill less damaging, but it was never going to happen. He had to sign it. For those who don't understand, you are fools. He was the levy holding back the flood for 3 years. This session was the dems turn to fracture his voters so they could get back in power. They have their plans to get back into power and gain more. They want to strip you of the last of your rights. Hogan has his plan to strip the dems of their power and start restoring your rights. If you want to sit home or vote for a dem, then you are a worthless pos that deserves everything your going to get. I will help him get the 5 senators or 7 House members he needs to change Maryland for the better. If you don't want that then you are part of the problem. Opportunities like this don't come along often, it's been 6 plus decades in the making and you want to burn the constitution to prove you're morally superior.

No, he didn't have to sign it. He could have not signed it and let it become law. He could have vetoed it and pushed back and shown some spine. He could have NOT had all those smiling bitches around him when he signed it.

He could have made some token sign that he was not 100% against this and I would have cut him some slack. But, he signed it with a smile. Fvck him.

"Hogan has his plan to strip the dems of their power and start restoring your rights" Are you fvcking serious? How the hell can you even type that?

I understand perfectly what's going on. He's a RINO and some people will willingly bend over and take it in the a$$ by someone as long as they get lubed up and there is a chance of a reach around in the future.

If you vote for Hogan, make sure you bring your own lube, cause I wouldn't trust him to bring any.

dist1646 · May 8, 2018

To show the mentality of the republicans in Maryland, I think Del. Susan Krebs reply to an email conversation was quite telling!
" The 2A community bears some responsibility for not raising any opposition to this legislation during the legislative process."

Basically, it's our fault that she initially voted for anti 2A legislation!? Really? I don't think so!
I called her out on that one and she accused me of insulting her for doing so. She told me to " Get a grip.", followed by several attempts at berating and insulting me.
The 2A community has kept her in office and it is time for that to change! She is trying to ride Hogan's coat tails to another term.

If you don't believe there is a problem in the republican representation we have , excuse me, DON"T HAVE in Annapolis, you should look again!
Look not only at how their final vote is logged, look at what they have and are, or are not doing behind the scenes. I have and I will not be voting for Krebs. I urge others to follow suit!

eruby · May 8, 2018

dist1646 said:
To show the mentality of the republicans in Maryland, I think Del. Susan Krebs reply to an email conversation was quite telling!
" The 2A community bears some responsibility for not raising any opposition to this legislation during the legislative process."

Basically, it's our fault that she initially voted for anti 2A legislation!? Really? I don't think so!
I called her out on that one and she accused me of insulting her for doing so. She told me to " Get a grip.", followed by several attempts at berating and insulting me.
The 2A community has kept her in office and it is time for that to change! She is trying to ride Hogan's coat tails to another term.

If you don't believe there is a problem in the republican representation we have , excuse me, DON"T HAVE in Annapolis, you should look again!
Look not only at how their final vote is logged, look at what they have and are or are not doing behind the scenes. I have and I will not be voting for Krebs. I urge others to follow suit!

..... if she were on fire.

dist1646 · May 8, 2018

eruby said:
..... if she were on fire.

I saved the entire conversation. I don't think she is going to like that. :innocent0

44man · May 8, 2018

BradMacc82 said:
As much as I'd like to vote my heart, or vote with my feet. I've come to the realization that as a MD resident, the only choice we have when it comes to politics, is do you want to slowly bleed out, or die swiftly?

That's the choices we are given. As gun owners, the target placed on all of our backs is not going anywhere anytime soon.

So do we pick a marksman, or a shit-shot?

If you think about that for a bit it means we give up s right of two most every year until we have no more rights to give, then what do they take?

Anything they want since we are disarmed

I can’t continue down that path anymore

East2West · May 8, 2018

Matlack said:
If Hogan vetoed either bill he loses the governorship. It was a hand grenade the dems planned to throw at him this session no matter what. He tried to get a bill less damaging, but it was never going to happen. He had to sign it. For those who don't understand, you are fools. He was the levy holding back the flood for 3 years. This session was the dems turn to fracture his voters so they could get back in power. They have their plans to get back into power and gain more. They want to strip you of the last of your rights. Hogan has his plan to strip the dems of their power and start restoring your rights. If you want to sit home or vote for a dem, then you are a worthless pos that deserves everything your going to get. I will help him get the 5 senators or 7 House members he needs to change Maryland for the better. If you don't want that then you are part of the problem. Opportunities like this don't come along often, it's been 6 plus decades in the making and you want to burn the constitution to prove you're morally superior.

And how is Hogan going to get 5 senators and 7 House members? Is he going to wave a magic wand and get The Mikes to accept his map? You really think the Maryland Democrat Party is going to let a Republican single handedly redraw the districts???

Matlack · May 8, 2018

There is something called the long game. Sometimes you have to give in on a battle to win the war.

I stand by what I have said. You either understand that their is a fight going on, or you sit on the sidelines and bitch and moan about how morally superior you are for letting the 2A die. This fight has taken decades to get here. There are only 2 sides. If you want to sit on the sidelines, or have always sat on the sidelines, you are the exact reason why Hogan had to sign the bills. That is a basic analysis of how much he will gain or lose by signing or not signing the bill. Elections have consequences, and this election has major consequences for anyone who cares about 2A if Hogan loses. If he loses, the 2A is toast. It will die a much faster rate than ever in our history.

BradMacc82 · May 8, 2018

44man said:
If you think about that for a bit it means we give up a right or two most every year until we have no more rights to give, then what do they take?

Anything they want since we are disarmed

I can’t continue down that path anymore

That groundwork was laid decades ago, it's just becoming more obvious as time passes.

D or R, it genuinely doesn't matter anymore. The targets were placed a long time ago, it's just a matter of who's pulling the trigger. Short of drastic changes in the political landscape, I don't see that changing.

For me, I'm tired of having a target on my back. My plan is to be out of this state in 24 months or less. I'm tired of being a subject.

ToolAA · May 8, 2018

I be voting for Hogan as there will be no viable alternative. I’ll remain optimistic that he’ll be able to Gerrymander the districts “North Carolina style” and unseat some long lasting democrats. Maybe then we’ll finally have a chance at saving the state from becoming a socialist republic.

44man · May 8, 2018

Matlack said:
There is something called the long game. Sometimes you have to give in on a battle to win the war.

I stand by what I have said. You either understand that their is a fight going on, or you sit on the sidelines and bitch and moan about how morally superior you are for letting the 2A die. This fight has taken decades to get here. There are only 2 sides. If you want to sit on the sidelines, or have always sat on the sidelines, you are the exact reason why Hogan had to sign the bills. That is a basic analysis of how much he will gain or lose by signing or not signing the bill. Elections have consequences, and this election has major consequences for anyone who cares about 2A if Hogan loses. If he loses, the 2A is toast. It will die a much faster rate than ever in our history.

He signed those bills because his poles said we don’t count sobif was our rights he trampled on

44man · May 8, 2018

BradMacc82 said:
That groundwork was laid decades ago, it's just becoming more obvious as time passes.

D or R, it genuinely doesn't matter anymore. The targets were placed a long time ago, it's just a matter of who's pulling the trigger. Short of drastic changes in the political landscape, I don't see that changing.

For me, I'm tired of having a target on my back. My plan is to be out of this state in 24 months or less. I'm tired of being a subject.

We are actively looking ourselves

Boondock Saint · May 8, 2018

Matlack said:
There is something called the long game. Sometimes you have to give in on a battle to win the war.

I stand by what I have said. You either understand that their is a fight going on, or you sit on the sidelines and bitch and moan about how morally superior you are for letting the 2A die. This fight has taken decades to get here. There are only 2 sides. If you want to sit on the sidelines, or have always sat on the sidelines, you are the exact reason why Hogan had to sign the bills. That is a basic analysis of how much he will gain or lose by signing or not signing the bill. Elections have consequences, and this election has major consequences for anyone who cares about 2A if Hogan loses. If he loses, the 2A is toast. It will die a much faster rate than ever in our history.

You keep giving in and let us know when you've won the war. :lol2:

Also, despite your violation of forum rules (not to mention basic civility) by personally insulting me among others here tonight, I'm glad that there's no room now to call you a coward for refusing to stand behind your words.

inkd · May 8, 2018

BradMacc82 said:
That groundwork was laid decades ago, it's just becoming more obvious as time passes.

D or R, it genuinely doesn't matter anymore. The targets were placed a long time ago, it's just a matter of who's pulling the trigger. Short of drastic changes in the political landscape, I don't see that changing.

For me, I'm tired of having a target on my back. My plan is to be out of this state in 24 months or less. I'm tired of being a subject.

That is my plan as well. I need to get some job experience under my belt with my new career choice before I make the jump.

Matlack · May 8, 2018

East2West said:
And how is Hogan going to get 5 senators and 7 House members? Is he going to wave a magic wand and get The Mikes to accept his map? You really think the Maryland Democrat Party is going to let a Republican single handedly redraw the districts???

Nope. Hogan proposes a map. The dems pass a map and Hogan vetoes it. With either 5 senators or 7 house members, the dems cant override the veto. They go back again. At some point it goes to the courts and the courts have historically accepted the maps put forth by the electoral commission, sometimes with minor tweaks. With the new make up of the commission with Hogan as governor and the seat pickups, he controls the commission and they put out a map of single member districts. Any map of single member districts picks up as many as 20 house seats, and potentially a few senators. In addition changes the congressional maps to small and compact maps, the R's pick up 2 to 3 congressman. This is what the dems fear the most and why they want to have you all stay home or vote for someone other than Hogan.

The dems win because they compact R's into districts and spread out their voters. They strategically use single member districts to their advantage, where it shouldnt be used. But if you change all to single member districts, the voter maps show huge changes. You dont think the congressional maps are squiggly lines for your benefit? But you all choose to stay home and throw everything in the trash and there probably wont be another chance like this in our lifetimes. So you go ahead and vote for anyone but Hogan and let the dems win and trash the 2A and further render your votes even more worthless.

fred55 · May 8, 2018

Matlack said:
There is something called the long game. Sometimes you have to give in on a battle to win the war.

I stand by what I have said. You either understand that their is a fight going on, or you sit on the sidelines and bitch and moan about how morally superior you are for letting the 2A die. This fight has taken decades to get here. There are only 2 sides. If you want to sit on the sidelines, or have always sat on the sidelines, you are the exact reason why Hogan had to sign the bills. That is a basic analysis of how much he will gain or lose by signing or not signing the bill. Elections have consequences, and this election has major consequences for anyone who cares about 2A if Hogan loses. If he loses, the 2A is toast. It will die a much faster rate than ever in our history.

If you lose enough battles you have lost the war. There is a 2 term limit on governors, what battles do you think Hogan is going boot again? He did not uphold his sworn oath of office. End of story. Fred55

So what if Hogan wins a Second term?

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