Help ID'ing a Mauser

gtodave · Mar 2, 2008

I picked up a Mauser, and I can't find any good identifying characteristics to help tell me when it was made. Are there any guides out there to help? It doesn't have the "98" stamped where I have seen it before, so through the power of deduction, I'm fairly sure it's a different model, but I can't find a serial number on it or anything. It does have "MA10" stamped on it, and "Manufactura Loeave_ _" next to that, but very worn.

Also, I want to be sure that it is safe to put 8mm rounds through this....from what I've read, it was common to rebore some of these rifles, and there were a handful of other calibers offered over the years.

zoostation · Mar 2, 2008

Are you sure it doesn't say "Manufactura Loewe Berlin?" It sounds to me like either an Argentine or Chilean Mauser. I would say it is not safe to fire without being checked by a gunsmith, might not even shoot 8mm! Could shoot 7.65 Argentine or any number of calibers the South American countries used and converted rifles to in the 20th Century, including 7mm Mauser, 30-06, .308, and more. If marked as I suspect it's also an antique, Loewe went out of business in 1896.

Lambo · Mar 2, 2008

Try this board,
http://www.mausercentral.com/forum/index.php
Pics would help!

gtodave · Mar 3, 2008

zoostation said:
Are you sure it doesn't say "Manufactura Loewe Berlin?"

It very well might, but it is badly worn. I could barely make out the letters that I posted. Good to know about the age...I'll definately take it somewhere to find out what it shoots before I hit the range.

Lambo said:
Try this board,
http://www.mausercentral.com/forum/index.php
Pics would help!

I'll get some pics up soon. Didn't get a chance last night.

BlackBart · Mar 3, 2008

Does it cock on the opening or closing of the bolt?

gtodave · Mar 3, 2008

BlackBart said:
Does it cock on the opening or closing of the bolt?

I guess I don't know...I'll play with it tonight and see. What would that tell me?

gtodave · Mar 3, 2008

BlackBart said:
Does it cock on the opening or closing of the bolt?

It cocks when opening the bolt.

After looking at it in the sunlight, it definately says "Manufactura Loewe", but I'm fairly certain there's no "Berlin" behind that, because there's a notch that would prevent any verbage. It also says "Mauser Es_ _ _ _L" above that, which I can only assume is Mauser Espanol. The second word is badly worn, but I could make out the first two and the last letters, with space for what looks like 4 letters in between.

Does that narrow it down for anyone?

metalman3006 · Mar 3, 2008

You could try-http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5

gtodave · Jun 23, 2020

NECRO THREAD BUMP!

I realized I never figured out what this rifle is, probably because I never posted pics. In the meantime, I've added another I need help ID'ing. Any help is appreciated!

gtodave · Jun 23, 2020

Here's the second one I picked up. Probably not a Mauser, though I'm no expert. It is a single shot rifle...no magazine.

28Shooter · Jun 23, 2020

Second one is a Mauser 71 I believe made at Amberg

Buster Brown · Jun 23, 2020

Im no Mauser expert but i believe the first mauser is a Spanish contract 1893 that was originally made in Lowe Berlin and later modified/updated by a Spanish armory such as Oviedo later on. The vent hole in the receiver is not original but is common for spanish small ring mausers such as the m1916. Its probably chambered in 7x57.

Buster Brown · Jun 23, 2020

Actually on second look it was probably converted to 7.62 Cetme which is a lower pressure 7.62x51(308). I think that because you can see they fitted a smaller mag/trigger housing to the stock. If thats the case, id feel comfortable shooting 7.62x51 out of it being german made. The spanish made ones are known not to hold up too well because of the crappy spanish steel. Some say its a rumor about their steel but ive personally seen evidence that it sucks.

Doco Overboard · Jun 23, 2020

Second one looks like and M1871. The other looks like a m91 with m93-95 bottom metal.

Nope its got a claw extractor, means 93 -95

The other thing about high pressure 91 thru 95 is ther is no secondary torque shoulder in front of the bolt lugs which means less strength not more. not to mention smaller gas relief hole and non gas deflecting gas shield.

Melnic · Jun 23, 2020

No import stamp (maybe under barrel near muzzle) in the the suspected made for Spain Mauser?

gtodave · Jun 23, 2020

Melnic said:
No import stamp (maybe under barrel near muzzle) in the the suspected made for Spain Mauser?

Other than the "Ma 10" near the chamber, I don't see any other markings other than this one on the stock.

gtodave · Jun 23, 2020

28Shooter said:
Second one is a Mauser 71 I believe made at Amberg

That does appear to be the gun. Thanks!

Doco Overboard said:
The other looks like a m91 with m93-95 bottom metal.

Nope its got a claw extractor, means 93 -95

Sooo...what's all that mean? :innocent0

. Built in 1893-1895?

gtodave · Jun 23, 2020

Buster Brown said:
Im no Mauser expert but i believe the first mauser is a Spanish contract 1893 that was originally made in Lowe Berlin and later modified/updated by a Spanish armory such as Oviedo later on. The vent hole in the receiver is not original but is common for spanish small ring mausers such as the m1916. Its probably chambered in 7x57.

Buster Brown said:
Actually on second look it was probably converted to 7.62 Cetme which is a lower pressure 7.62x51(308). I think that because you can see they fitted a smaller mag/trigger housing to the stock. If thats the case, id feel comfortable shooting 7.62x51 out of it being german made. The spanish made ones are known not to hold up too well because of the crappy spanish steel. Some say its a rumor about their steel but ive personally seen evidence that it sucks.

Good info...thank you. That means it jives with Doco's assessment, correct?

Buster Brown · Jun 23, 2020

gtodave said:
Good info...thank you. That means it jives with Doco's assessment, correct?

Yup. Model 1893 mauser modified down the line sometime in spain. Made in Germany for Spain. They were nicely made mausers. If the bore is ok it should be a good shooter.

rseymorejr · Jun 23, 2020

Let this be a lesson to you!

No pictures: 12 years without a peep!
With pictures: ID'd within 2 hours!
LOL!

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