PA officials Declare Incomplete Gun parts are guns

Melnic · Dec 17, 2019

https://www.guns.com/news/2019/12/1...gx3nHA_wyJW7DFx8Uij4adMyIRe7x2PytmSDnWvvjeQKI

Pennsylvania officials made a startling announcement Monday to up gun control restrictions by changing just what a “gun” is under state law.

State Gov. Tom Wolf and Attorney General Josh Shapiro, both Democrats, unveiled a legal opinion by the latter this week that classifies incomplete gun frames and parts such as “80 percent receivers” as firearms.

“My Office is taking the initial step of clarifying – through my official, legal opinion – that under Pennsylvania law, 80 percent receivers are firearms and can be treated, regulated, and enforced as such,” Shapiro said at a news conference with Wolf and State Police officials.

EDIT: INCOMPLETE should have been added to the title.

Wont' this be interesting because a firearm lower would require a 4473 in PA correct? Well, an 80% lower is NOT a firearm under Federal law which the 4473 follows. In other words, are they saying you CANT buy an 80% or they will create a new process for 80% in PA only. (like MD has the 77r). They bit off more than they can chew. A state I don't think can not make federal definitions.

budman93 · Dec 17, 2019

good luck buying a lower with no serial number on a 4473

dist1646 · Dec 17, 2019

Simple tactics! The democrats are trying to start so many anti-2A fires that we can't put them all out.

Matlack · Dec 17, 2019

Melnic said:
. A state I don't think can not make federal definitions.

MD already proved a state cannot dictate to the feds what the feds are required to do. They instead enacted a defacto ban.

lazarus · Dec 17, 2019

They’d have to do a new process. Aren’t background checks done now through PA state police? I assume PA would need to create a new form and process for incomplete firearms.

Nobody · Dec 17, 2019

79% lowers now on sale.

Just like a state said you can't sell 190 proof alcohol they started selling 189 proof.

Nobody

Docster · Dec 17, 2019

They do a zig, we do a zag. Isn't that always the case?

Melnic · Dec 17, 2019

Nobody said:
79% lowers now on sale.

Just like a state said you can't sell 190 proof alcohol they started selling 189 proof.

Nobody

Good point, how incomplete is incomplete?
Is a hunk of aluminum 5% complete or 0% complete?
Is it partially finished, or partially started?

Mini14tac · Dec 17, 2019

What will these azzholes think of next???

Let's see, can of hairspray, pvc pipe, sack of potatoes within close proximity = GUN!!!! Large sack of potatoes exceeds the magazine limit!!!

Mike OTDP · Dec 17, 2019

Well, there's the guy who made an AK receiver from a shovel. I trust they'll be registering shovels. And a Sten receiver starts out as a length of steel tubing. Pipe control!

JTH20 · Dec 17, 2019

It's much easier to make a slamfire shotgun than to mill out an 80%.

When will they start regulating sections of pipe and nails?

Bertfish · Dec 17, 2019

And how will they enforce this?

They won't and they can't.

What do you bet plenty of vendors at Oakes next weekend still selling them?

Sealion · Dec 17, 2019

Watching Raskin testify and there's a woman on his right shoulder just shaking her head. Kind of funny.

Pinecone · Dec 17, 2019

Nobody said:
79% lowers now on sale.

Just like a state said you can't sell 190 proof alcohol they started selling 189 proof.

Nobody

Duh, that state was Maryland.

Pinecone · Dec 17, 2019

Bertfish said:
And how will they enforce this?

They won't and they can't.

What do you bet plenty of vendors at Oakes next weekend still selling them?

Heck, since they are not firearms, you can order them by mail.

Nobody · Dec 17, 2019

Pinecone said:
Duh, that state was Maryland.

I don't drink 190 proof or 189 for that fact. I just forgot, our maybe wanted to not be reminded it is the stupid state i live in that does such things.

Nobody

Dave.B · Dec 17, 2019

Bertfish said:
And how will they enforce this?

They won't and they can't.

What do you bet plenty of vendors at Oakes next weekend still selling them?

Oaks is this weekend.

knovotny · Dec 18, 2019

This is why I don't want to bail to PA. Longer drive, and just a matter of time till they are fighting like us.

This is absurd.

Occam · Dec 18, 2019

knovotny said:
This is why I don't want to bail to PA. Longer drive, and just a matter of time till they are fighting like us.

This is absurd.

Somewhere in the back of my mind I was contemplating PA as some sort of refuge, as we watch VA going to hell. I suspect that poor ol' WV might actually get an influx of much needed economic activity one of these days, as the only place within kind-of-a-not-horrible-drive to the Beltway that won't be a lefty hell hole.

Kicken Wing · Dec 18, 2019

knovotny said:
This is why I don't want to bail to PA. Longer drive, and just a matter of time till they are fighting like us.

This is absurd.

The only close-by state that i consider somewhat safe these days is West Virginia. I have not trusted VA or PA for a while.

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