Number of active W&C/HQL as of August 2017

mjester93 · Sep 19, 2017

To all,

I just received a reply from my most recent PIA from the MSP with the following information [If there is anything specific you all want, let me know, and I will see if I can include it in a PIA; I do them on a monthly basis]:

Number of active Wear and Carry Permits (W&C) as of 08/31/2017: 19,205. This is an increase of 82 permits from last month.

Number of active Maryland Handgun Qualification Licenses (HQL) as of 09/14/2017: 83,665. This is an increase of 1,901 from last month.

Other data received from previous PIAs:
MSP Form 29-04: worksheet used by investigators during the process of W&C application;
S.O.P 29-13-001: standard operating procedures for investigations and reports for W&C;
Handgun Permit Review Board decisions, 2015-2016

No response:
* Number of W&C permits denied for the month of August 2017

Historical stats for W&C Permits:
Date Active Permits
08/31/2017 19,205
07/31/2017 19,123
06/30/2017 18,805
05/31/2017 18,621
04/30/2017 18,482
03/31/2017 18,300
02/28/2017 18,137
04/30/2016 16,152
06/16/2015 14,454
04/30/2014 14,298
12/31/2011 12,000
02/27/2006 39,498

Historical stats for HQL:
Date Active Licenses
09/14/2017 83,665
08/11/2017 81,764
07/14/2017 80,239
06/09/2017 78,504
05/05/2017 76,839
04/14/2017 75,479

Kair350 · Sep 19, 2017

Thank You for continuing to post this data.

j_h_smith · Sep 19, 2017

I'm a little surprised about the number of HQLs. Less than 84k. I thought there'd be that many in just Fredneck and Hazzard counties alone.

DanGuy48 · Sep 19, 2017

j_h_smith said:
I'm a little surprised about the number of HQLs. Less than 84k. I thought there'd be that many in just Fredneck and Hazzard counties alone.

It might not be that bad. Maryland is a small state, 5+ million people and very liberal in general. Subtract out probably easily a million for being under age or otherwise ineligible. Out of that 4 million or so left, over 80,000 have, most likely, purchased a firearm since the law was passed. This says nothing about the people that already have theirs and have no need, or desire, to get into Maryland's records any more than they already are.

One can hope.

mjester93 · Sep 20, 2017

Kair350 said:
Thank You for continuing to post this data.

You're welcome.

scjamesm · Sep 20, 2017

j_h_smith said:
I'm a little surprised about the number of HQLs. Less than 84k. I thought there'd be that many in just Fredneck and Hazzard counties alone.

I'm thinking that a lot of people are leaving this state and/or waiting to see what the HQL lawsuit's verdict is going to be. I've also found that if you keep insisting that the democrats are never going to win another general election due to their far left politics not meshing with the electoral college are going to move people to the right/center on issues(because Obama didn't mention jack sh*t about gun control until after about 2013, and if he did, he would have not won re-election in 2012(which is why Hillary got crushed in the electorial college in 2016))...ask the liberal why Larry Hogan is governor? Convince them that leftist politics from Baltimore is killing the city, which it is, and ask them why someone who buys a gun legally should be derided while a thug who steals a gun from someone is touted as a hero.

If the liberals don't like police ask them why do they support the authoritarian state by electing these officials. A dealer when I went to the show in York a few months back had mentioned that we need more libertarian based officials as it is the antidote to the average liberal who want all of these rights but don't like being told what to do. Ask them why other states are far ahead of the curve that have republican elected officials(like on medical cannabis, which I don't necessary support but just use that as an example, where states like Alabama have it but Maryland doesn't)...and also provide the point that the 3 states that surround Maryland which are shall issue or are unrestricted carry have much lower rates of violence vs Maryland(hell even Delaware has open carry and more rights even though they are not shall issue so I guess you could count that as 4 states). I've turned a lot of people on the issues of gun rights even though I might not necessarily get them to like guns(cause there are just going to be people who don't like them)

Biggfoot44 · Sep 20, 2017

Contrary to j_h_Smith , I'm having to opposite take away over that . Almost 4yrs in, and not only holding steady, but almost 10% over ling term average . Some of the projections were for a fall off in rate , after the initial bubble.

And from my posts on the subject, it is obvious which way I'm rooting on this , so factor that large container of salt that I stil said the above .

CypherPunk · Sep 20, 2017

Why is 2006 Maryland Handgun permits so high (39K)?

mjester93 said:
To all,

I just received a reply from my most recent PIA from the MSP with the following information [If there is anything specific you all want, let me know, and I will see if I can include it in a PIA; I do them on a monthly basis]:

Number of active Wear and Carry Permits (W&C) as of 08/31/2017: 19,205. This is an increase of 82 permits from last month.

Number of active Maryland Handgun Qualification Licenses (HQL) as of 09/14/2017: 83,665. This is an increase of 1,901 from last month.

Other data received from previous PIAs:
MSP Form 29-04: worksheet used by investigators during the process of W&C application;
S.O.P 29-13-001: standard operating procedures for investigations and reports for W&C;
Handgun Permit Review Board decisions, 2015-2016

No response:
* Number of W&C permits denied for the month of August 2017

Historical stats for W&C Permits:
Date Active Permits
08/31/2017 19,205
07/31/2017 19,123
06/30/2017 18,805
05/31/2017 18,621
04/30/2017 18,482
03/31/2017 18,300
02/28/2017 18,137
04/30/2016 16,152
06/16/2015 14,454
04/30/2014 14,298
12/31/2011 12,000
02/27/2006 39,498

Historical stats for HQL:
Date Active Licenses
09/14/2017 83,665
08/11/2017 81,764
07/14/2017 80,239
06/09/2017 78,504
05/05/2017 76,839
04/14/2017 75,479

CypherPunk · Sep 20, 2017

In contrast, according to the Utah BCI, 20,925 Maryland residents held Utah Concealed Firearms Permits as of May 1, 2016.

The Utah BCI Concealed Firearms Permit section is staffed 24x5 due to volume of requests. IMHO, Utah does a much more efficient (60 days), cost effective ($67), and better job protecting the public.
Utah resident permit holders are run through NCIC every night. Out of state, every 90 days.

MSP, with it's "Gun Center" staffed 24x7, apparently depends on NCIC contacting them.

welder516 · Sep 20, 2017

By the numbers I would say they wish they could get them lower , or at a minimum keep them the same . The state works so hard in this endeavor .

Biggfoot44 · Sep 20, 2017

Re : Cypher in #8 - Pre- LEOSA ( or pre HR 218 in the language of the times ).Figure 20k plus of retired/ former LE residing in Md now use LEOSA instead . ( Due to differences in fine print , a handful of LE & LE-ish types still use W&C .)

dblas · Sep 20, 2017

mjester93 said:
To all,

I just received a reply from my most recent PIA from the MSP with the following information [If there is anything specific you all want, let me know, and I will see if I can include it in a PIA; I do them on a monthly basis]:

Number of active Wear and Carry Permits (W&C) as of 08/31/2017: 19,205. This is an increase of 82 permits from last month.

Number of active Maryland Handgun Qualification Licenses (HQL) as of 09/14/2017: 83,665. This is an increase of 1,901 from last month.

Other data received from previous PIAs:
MSP Form 29-04: worksheet used by investigators during the process of W&C application;
S.O.P 29-13-001: standard operating procedures for investigations and reports for W&C;
Handgun Permit Review Board decisions, 2015-2016

No response:
* Number of W&C permits denied for the month of August 2017

Historical stats for W&C Permits:
Date Active Permits
08/31/2017 19,205
07/31/2017 19,123
06/30/2017 18,805
05/31/2017 18,621
04/30/2017 18,482
03/31/2017 18,300
02/28/2017 18,137
04/30/2016 16,152
06/16/2015 14,454
04/30/2014 14,298
12/31/2011 12,000
02/27/2006 39,498

Historical stats for HQL:
Date Active Licenses
09/14/2017 83,665
08/11/2017 81,764
07/14/2017 80,239
06/09/2017 78,504
05/05/2017 76,839
04/14/2017 75,479

PM sent for additional suggestion for PIA requests. (They came to me while on a very long and very relaxing vacation)

Schipperke · Sep 21, 2017

Total MD population ~ 5.8M less ~790K under 21 so lets just round to 5M. Women outnumber men by ~2 points so lets go with 2.4 M men (all numbers are being rounded to give a conservative result on the optimistic side) Lets just pretend all the HQL's are male , I'm sure they are very heavy that direction. So ~3.5% of Maryland men 21+ have a HQL.. It really shows how rare a wear and carry is as well. That same group would be 0.8% holding W&C.

If something is off with math/numbers please correct

Biggfoot44 · Sep 21, 2017

You ommited any consideration of prohibited persons . And overestimated bias twords males .

BUT , Maryland is only marginally over represented in Felons and dopers, and state to state comparisons work well enough with raw population.

Engine4 · Sep 21, 2017

I've always wondered if Slimy Vinnie has one.

John from MD · Sep 21, 2017

Like me, many of my older friends have decided not to get an HQL. That may be one of the reasons the numbers are lower. If MSI should ever win the lawsuit, I may look at buying another handgun if one jumps out at me. I have one or two to keep me busy until then. :innocent0

Boom Boom · Sep 21, 2017

DanGuy48 said:
This says nothing about the people that already have theirs and have no need, or desire, to get into Maryland's records any more than they already are.

One can hope.

I suspect that's the case. Most residents who would want a handgun probably own one already and won't bother with the HQL until they really need/want an addition or replacement.

kenpo333 · Sep 21, 2017

John from MD said:
Like me, many of my older friends have decided not to get an HQL. That may be one of the reasons the numbers are lower. If MSI should ever win the lawsuit, I may look at buying another handgun if one jumps out at me. I have one or two to keep me busy until then.

I think that you are right about this. Our classes are women of all ages and young men(25 to 35)Very few men your age that I am guessing from when you were in Viet Nam. I teach the class and waited almost 3 years before I got one. Saw something I could not live without.

Regulus91 · Sep 22, 2017

j_h_smith said:
I'm a little surprised about the number of HQLs. Less than 84k. I thought there'd be that many in just Fredneck and Hazzard counties alone.

I'm repping Fredneck county!

The main thing keeping me from getting an HQL is the cost. I just don't have a hundred bucks sitting around for the class and $65 for the fingerprinting and I think it's like $65 or $70 for the card itself, right? It's a lot of time and money us po' folk just can't spare.

:sad20:

eurocarnut · Sep 23, 2017

j_h_smith said:
I'm a little surprised about the number of HQLs. Less than 84k. I thought there'd be that many in just Fredneck and Hazzard counties alone.

Some of us simply aren't willing to get an HQL but that doesn't mean we don't have enough firearms to outfit a squad or two. I will NOT convert my right into a privilege. I went on a buying spree before 281 became law just like many others did.

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