1,200 fpe air gun?

Pale Ryder · Jul 6, 2016

Just going over the new hunting guide, and saw that air rifles that develop 1,200 fpe at the muzzle are now legal in Md for deer hunting.

Is there such a thing, and what caliber would reach that? Probably cost prohibitive for most though.

Blacksmith101 · Jul 7, 2016

I don't see any at 1,200 Ft Lbs but I believe Dennis Quackenbush did make one that went to 1,000. His current list of offerings seem to top out at about 500 Ft Lbs but they seem to take down some pretty big game as shown in these pictures:
http://quackenbushairguns.com/

Minuteman · Jul 7, 2016

A fellow member of my gun club is big time into air guns, several were larger calibers. We metup one day and I got to shoot them all. My conclusion was that it's a niche (specialty) sport that isn't for me.

Here's a good look no to learn more: http://www.pyramydair.com

balttigger · Jul 7, 2016

This is one of, if not THE top of the game right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b2kMyMLEBA

There was another one that was right up there but can't remember which one

smdub · Jul 7, 2016

balttigger said:
This is one of, if not THE top of the game right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b2kMyMLEBA

Not really. Only 500fpe. Claims its the highest "production" airgun - so really just marketing spin. By production, they must mean mass production. There are many small companies like Quackenbush that are in production and can beat that - just not at airforce qty levels.

Current big guns are running 1500+fpe on Helium. As an engineer it makes me sad to see Helium wasted like that - though its way better than kids balloons! Speed of sound in Hydrogen is 20% higher (for even more performance) and would be safe as long as inert greases (like krytox) and other materials are used. Hydrogen isn't dangerous as a fuel unless it has a readily available similar amount of oxidizer avail. It just burns otherwise. Some airsoft pistols are running "green gas" propellant which is just propane. But I digress.

My big airgun only gets a little over 100fpe

Pale Ryder · Jul 7, 2016

So DNR is talking out their backside, can't say no to airguns anymore, or are hedging to the future when someone can reach the bar. :sad20:

smdub · Jul 7, 2016

Don't think so. A member here C.Alls got the law changed so he could hunt deer. His makes over the limit. IIRC, he was hunting w/ it last year as an exemption until the law was changed? Can't remember if he bagged one or not.

Edit: found a link he posted on MDS (to another forum) w/ pics of his rig.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/7953...nd+DNR+is+still+in+shock+about+my+Extreme+.72

babalou · Jul 7, 2016

Walmart has .177 air rifles doing 1200 fpe. The .22 models are around 950 fpe

Jollyllama · Jul 7, 2016

Feet per second and Foot pounds of energy are significantly different.

Blacksmith101 · Jul 7, 2016

babalou said:
Walmart has .177 air rifles doing 1200 fpe. The .22 models are around 950 fpe

FPS vs FPE two different measurements.

BUFF7MM · Jul 7, 2016

smdub said:
Don't think so. A member here C.Alls got the law changed so he could hunt deer. His makes over the limit. IIRC, he was hunting w/ it last year as an exemption until the law was changed? Can't remember if he bagged one or not.

Edit: found a link he posted on MDS (to another forum) w/ pics of his rig.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/7953...nd+DNR+is+still+in+shock+about+my+Extreme+.72

He did bag one with it.
Several of us have shot that beast and it's impressive. Here's a couple of threads showing pictures and a video.

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=189933
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=189568

babalou · Jul 7, 2016

crap!!

Blacksmith101 said:
FPS vs FPE two different measurements.

Sorry, was not paying attention. That what you get when you stay up all night. Thanks for not grilling my ass.

namrelio · Jul 7, 2016

I have this rifle. I haven't had it long enough to site it in. I sure wouldn't shoot a deer with it.

http://www.gamousa.com/product.aspx?productID=399

Sorry. FPS

Muleskinner · Jan 16, 2017

Blacksmith101 said:
I don't see any at 1,200 Ft Lbs but I believe Dennis Quackenbush did make one that went to 1,000. His current list of offerings seem to top out at about 500 Ft Lbs but they seem to take down some pretty big game as shown in these pictures:
http://quackenbushairguns.com/

BUT.... getting one is next to impossible..he makes 50 a year and those are sold by lottery..I've sent in a request for 5 years in a row...nada...in fact no one from Maryland has "won" the right to purchase one in 5 years...I finally sent a letter to him asking him why with no response so I gave up. I haven't bought a big bore yet, but there are plenty on the market although I don't know of any that develop that kind of energy...which is a ridiculous requirement since bow hunters don't have to comply (most bows are in the low to mid 100s)

Muleskinner · Jan 16, 2017

you can always do this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhHcuj1H7Js

Muleskinner · Jan 16, 2017

balttigger said:
This is one of, if not THE top of the game right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b2kMyMLEBA

There was another one that was right up there but can't remember which one

still only 500 FPE...that rifle will put a deer down easily, but can't be used because of the restriction...

BigTinBoat · Jan 16, 2017

Muleskinner said:
still only 500 FPE...that rifle will put a deer down easily, but can't be used because of the restriction...

Actually YES it can be used. Back in November Maryland changed the regulations so that an Air Rifle may be used as long as it is at least .40caliber and producing 400FPE.

C.Alls · Jan 16, 2017

Quackenbush doesn't produce a rifle that will come close to the 1200ft/lbs required. To hit those numbers you'll need to contact Brent at Extreme BigBore Airguns and understand how to properly tune his .72 caliber bigbore to shoot off of helium. That's exactly what I did last year to take the first deer by airgun in the state of Maryland.

I tuned the rifle to produce 1350ft/lbs from a 4200psi charge of helium. I killed the deer at 113 yards with a 730 grain hollowpoint going a little over 900fps.

BigTinBoat · Jan 17, 2017

C.Alls said:
Quackenbush doesn't produce a rifle that will come close to the 1200ft/lbs required.

Chris,
You do know that Md changed the reg's, right? They became effective this past November. Only need .40 cal and 400FPE at muzzle.

Under:
08.03.04.05
.05 Devices for Hunting Deer and Black Bear.

C. Firearms.

(1) An individual may hunt deer and black bear only with the firearms in §C(2)—(6) of this regulation, subject to the restrictions provided in §§D and E of this regulation.

(2) A rifle or shotgun propelling one soft-nosed or expanding bullet or ball at a single discharge which generates at least 1,200 foot-pounds of muzzle energy is allowed.

(3) A handgun having a barrel length of 6 inches or longer and ammunition which produces a muzzle energy of 700 foot-pounds or more is allowed.

(4) A muzzle loading rifle or muzzle loading shotgun, not less than .40 caliber and using not less than the equivalent of 60 grains of black powder or a single shot muzzle loading handgun or muzzle loading revolver of not less than .40 caliber with a minimum barrel length of 6 inches and using not less than the equivalent of 40 grains of black powder propelling one soft-nosed or expanding bullet or ball at a single discharge, is allowed. Sabot loads are allowed.

(5) An air gun that:

(a) Propels one .40 caliber or greater bullet or ball at a single discharge which generates at least 400 foot-pounds of muzzle energy; or

(b) Propels an arrow at least 18” in length with a minimum speed of 300 feet per second at release, uses an arrow with a sharpened broadhead with metal points and a minimum width of 7/8 inch, and has a working safety if the device is fired by a trigger.

http://www.dsd.state.md.us/comar/comarhtml/08/08.03.04.05.htm

Muleskinner · Jan 18, 2017

BigTinBoat said:
Chris,
You do know that Md changed the reg's, right? They became effective this past November. Only need .40 cal and 400FPE at muzzle.

Under:
08.03.04.05
.05 Devices for Hunting Deer and Black Bear.

C. Firearms.

(1) An individual may hunt deer and black bear only with the firearms in §C(2)—(6) of this regulation, subject to the restrictions provided in §§D and E of this regulation.

(2) A rifle or shotgun propelling one soft-nosed or expanding bullet or ball at a single discharge which generates at least 1,200 foot-pounds of muzzle energy is allowed.

(3) A handgun having a barrel length of 6 inches or longer and ammunition which produces a muzzle energy of 700 foot-pounds or more is allowed.

(4) A muzzle loading rifle or muzzle loading shotgun, not less than .40 caliber and using not less than the equivalent of 60 grains of black powder or a single shot muzzle loading handgun or muzzle loading revolver of not less than .40 caliber with a minimum barrel length of 6 inches and using not less than the equivalent of 40 grains of black powder propelling one soft-nosed or expanding bullet or ball at a single discharge, is allowed. Sabot loads are allowed.

(5) An air gun that:

(a) Propels one .40 caliber or greater bullet or ball at a single discharge which generates at least 400 foot-pounds of muzzle energy; or

(b) Propels an arrow at least 18” in length with a minimum speed of 300 feet per second at release, uses an arrow with a sharpened broadhead with metal points and a minimum width of 7/8 inch, and has a working safety if the device is fired by a trigger.

http://www.dsd.state.md.us/comar/comarhtml/08/08.03.04.05.htm

The airbow or Air Venturi Air Bolt (which can be fired out of just about all 40-50 cal PCPs) If you get a 40-50 cal PCP you could hunt during both archery and firearms season with one gun...Air Bolt claims upwards of 500 FPS

1,200 fpe air gun?

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