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Old August 8th, 2017, 08:50 PM #1
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Stossel: NYC Government Traumatizes Gun Owners



It unfortunately is illegal to bring a firearm into New York State without having a permit to possess it there. The law is confusing and people are arrested every day for unknowingly breaking their law.

While it is every individual's responsibility to at least gain a basic understanding of the laws of the place they're traveling to, it is egregious that NY and other jurisdictions nail well-meaning people like this and locking them up, rather than exercising discretion.

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This is why we all need to be lawyers, investigators, Indian Chiefs too.

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At least this is getting some exposure which may help make everyone aware of the traps.
Perhaps it will save someone.
NY has been on my "do not visit" list for quite some time. So has DC.
The prosecutors are sworn to uphold the law, even if they hate it.
The despair & anger should be turned on the legislators both here and in NY.


My one worry is that I'll be on a flight, on which I am carrying firearms/accessories banned in NY or NJ, somehow diverted to NY or NJ
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At least this is getting some exposure which may help make everyone aware of the traps.
Perhaps it will save someone.
NY has been on my "do not visit" list for quite some time. So has DC.
The prosecutors are sworn to uphold the law, even if they hate it.
The despair & anger should be turned on the legislators both here and in NY.


My one worry is that I'll be on a flight, on which I am carrying firearms/accessories banned in NY or NJ, somehow diverted to NY or NJ
May be best to just not take possession of the luggage in that case, cheaper to buy a new firearm than spend $15K on a lawyer.
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May be best to just not take possession of the luggage in that case, cheaper to buy a new firearm than spend $15K on a lawyer.
I believe some one was charged, and convicted, for doing just that (taking possession of a firearm).
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This maggot is a gun-grabbing, 'toe-the-line', big government, liberal, lackey who cannot wait to give his next harrumph. What an asshat.


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I believe some one was charged, and convicted, for doing just that (taking possession of a firearm).
Wasnt that in New Jersey and the result of a plane rerouting or something?
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Did that D.A. ever say he doesn't like New York's or NYC's gun laws? I didn't hear it if he did.
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Wasnt that in New Jersey and the result of a plane rerouting or something?
It was indeed in NJ. Here's a reference to it:

Traveling Man's Gun Arrest Appealed to Supreme Court
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...eme-court.html

I think that based on what I heard in the OP the same danger exists in NY.
For domestic flights I'm going to investigate shipping my firearms instead of flying with them.
That approach isn't available for overseas flights.
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Actually, his attitude is quite typical of prosecutors everywhere. It's a "I didn't make the law, my job is just to enforce it". That these two got off with such a light (non-disqualifying) charge is actually an indication that the prosecutor exerised his discretion appropriately. Don't blame a prosecutor for being a prosecutor.
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Actually, his attitude is quite typical of prosecutors everywhere. It's a "I didn't make the law, my job is just to enforce it". That these two got off with such a light (non-disqualifying) charge is actually an indication that the prosecutor exerised his discretion appropriately. Don't blame a prosecutor for being a prosecutor.
Can a prosecutor drop all charges, or does someone else make that decision?
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Actually, his attitude is quite typical of prosecutors everywhere. It's a "I didn't make the law, my job is just to enforce it". That these two got off with such a light (non-disqualifying) charge is actually an indication that the prosecutor exerised his discretion appropriately. Don't blame a prosecutor for being a prosecutor.
Just following orders, eh? He should be disbarred for unethical conduct for going along with it. He either doesn't know better which makes him unfit for the job and profession in total or does know better and does it anyway which would also make him unfit. Just being a prosecutor is one thing--this is being a sociopath.
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Just following orders, eh?
That excuse was used at Nuremberg.
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That excuse was used at Nuremberg.
Precisely why I bring it up.
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Actually, his attitude is quite typical of prosecutors everywhere. It's a "I didn't make the law, my job is just to enforce it". That these two got off with such a light (non-disqualifying) charge is actually an indication that the prosecutor exerised his discretion appropriately. Don't blame a prosecutor for being a prosecutor.
Can we blame the prosecutor for failing to exercise discretion? Don't officers of the court swear to uphold the COTUS?

I suppose I'm being naive. It's an elected position, presumably, and subject to pressure from the tyrants of the majority.
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Can a prosecutor drop all charges, or does someone else make that decision?
Yes, "prosecutorial discretion". This prosecutor elected to bring minor charges.
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Just following orders, eh? He should be disbarred for unethical conduct for going along with it. He either doesn't know better which makes him unfit for the job and profession in total or does know better and does it anyway which would also make him unfit. Just being a prosecutor is one thing--this is being a sociopath.
It is not unethical under the code of professional responsibility for him to do what he did. You can argue that the statutes he enforces are unconstitutional, but no court has so held. Look, my point here is not to defend the prosecutor. MY point is to blame the legislature.
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It is not unethical under the code of professional responsibility for him to do what he did. You can argue that the statutes he enforces are unconstitutional, but no court has so held. Look, my point here is not to defend the prosecutor. MY point is to blame the legislature.
The legislatures pass all these laws with no clue what practical impact they have on law abiding citizens. In fact they don't really care because they are deluded in thinking that criminals will honor the laws they pass. Few of our legislators are guided by a moral compass,

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