Go Back   Maryland Shooters > The Arsenal > Curio and Relic (C&R)

Notices


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old July 27th, 2017, 12:54 PM #1
SlowShooter's Avatar
SlowShooter SlowShooter is online now
will get there eventually
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 360
SlowShooter SlowShooter is online now
will get there eventually
SlowShooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 360
With what C&R rifle you often get caught violating with the ranges rules

I got caught again violating the AGC Ranges rules while I am still in probation with a more serious violation 5 months ago. I left the Lee Enfield #4 Mk1* magazine on the rifle during the “ceasefire” with the chamber plug in place and the gun is on the side bench (not shooting bench. I put it there long before they called ceasefire.) I think I just got confused with guns like Mosin Nagant or Berthier which I have several copies for each kind. The funny thing is, I never forget removing my SKS magazine.

I don’t try to deny my mistake because, like the Board of Trustees, I believe safety is priority one and everyone must follow religiously. It is not that I did not remember the rules. It is the recognition of the mind at the moment. Now I just wonder that, with what C&R rifle you guys often get caught violating with the ranges rules.

I also use this opportunity to thanks the MMSS president for being there with me and to show my regret to the Board of Trustees.
SlowShooter is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 12:57 PM #2
plinkerton's Avatar
plinkerton plinkerton is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Owings Mills
Posts: 1,117
plinkerton plinkerton is offline
Senior Member
plinkerton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Owings Mills
Posts: 1,117
I've never removed the magazine from my Enfield at AGC. I know the magazine is removable, but I think I've only removed it once.
plinkerton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 01:06 PM #3
K31's Avatar
K31 K31 is offline
You're harshing my mellow
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: AA county
Posts: 23,266
Images: 13
K31 K31 is offline
You're harshing my mellow
K31's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: AA county
Posts: 23,266
Images: 13
Sounds chickshiite as long as the mag was empty and you had your empty chamber flag. It's not like the English issued ammo in mags for the Enfields. They are typically so stiff, it's a PITA to remove them.
__________________
Giving "respectful, civil gun owners a bad name" since January 15th, 2006.

My opinions are my own and not necessarily those of my employer. Which is self evident, because my opinions are so awesome!

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.” - Will Rogers

A new life awaits you on the off-world colonies!
K31 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 03:04 PM #4
tallen702's Avatar
tallen702 tallen702 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: In the boonies of MoCo
Posts: 762
tallen702 tallen702 is offline
Member
tallen702's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: In the boonies of MoCo
Posts: 762
K-31.

Been called on it at Cresap despite chamber flag as well. The problem is, they're not really meant to be detachable in the sense that modern detachable mags are. You aren't swapping out mags on an Enfield or K-31, you're hand-loading or using chargers, so it's easy to forget that they ARE detachable in the first place. By that interpretation of the rule, I'm surprised they don't make me drop the floor plate on my Mosins or 1916 SpanMau.
tallen702 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 03:17 PM #5
28Shooter 28Shooter is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 3,787
28Shooter 28Shooter is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 3,787
Never even occurred to me to drop the mag on an Enfield. Thanks for the warning!
28Shooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 03:32 PM #6
plinkerton's Avatar
plinkerton plinkerton is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Owings Mills
Posts: 1,117
plinkerton plinkerton is offline
Senior Member
plinkerton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Owings Mills
Posts: 1,117
Quote:
Originally Posted by K31 View Post
Sounds chickshiite as long as the mag was empty and you had your empty chamber flag. It's not like the English issued ammo in mags for the Enfields. They are typically so stiff, it's a PITA to remove them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tallen702 View Post
K-31.

Been called on it at Cresap despite chamber flag as well. The problem is, they're not really meant to be detachable in the sense that modern detachable mags are. You aren't swapping out mags on an Enfield or K-31, you're hand-loading or using chargers, so it's easy to forget that they ARE detachable in the first place. By that interpretation of the rule, I'm surprised they don't make me drop the floor plate on my Mosins or 1916 SpanMau.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 28Shooter View Post
Never even occurred to me to drop the mag on an Enfield. Thanks for the warning!
This, this, and this.
Based on the one time I did drop it I think I would have to start working it out at 11:15 for a 11:30 cease fire
plinkerton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 03:44 PM #7
SKIP's Avatar
SKIP SKIP is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glenwood/Glenelg
Posts: 1,955
SKIP SKIP is online now
Senior Member
SKIP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glenwood/Glenelg
Posts: 1,955
I know two shooters who refuse to shoot their Enfield at AGC. That is their stubbornness based on the fact that the mags were reloaded by the use of 5 round chargers. Yes some can be difficult to remove but the rules do not exempt Enfields from removing mag during cease fires. I shoot my Enfield on a regular basis and no objection to removing them.
SKIP is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 03:48 PM #8
iH8DemLibz's Avatar
iH8DemLibz iH8DemLibz is online now
When All Else Fails.
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Libtardistan
Posts: 19,603
iH8DemLibz iH8DemLibz is online now
When All Else Fails.
iH8DemLibz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Libtardistan
Posts: 19,603
Imagine the chaos that would ensue if someone didn't open the magazine door on their Krag.
iH8DemLibz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 04:03 PM #9
MilsurpDan MilsurpDan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Frederick County
Posts: 1,534
MilsurpDan MilsurpDan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Frederick County
Posts: 1,534
Quote:
Originally Posted by tallen702 View Post
K-31.

Been called on it at Cresap despite chamber flag as well.
I went to Cresap once. I never wanted to go back after seeing their RO's in action. Most of the one's I saw seemed like wannabe Parris Island DI's breathing down the necks of people trying to shoot. Shame since it's close to my house, but I'm so glad I joined Thurmont instead.
MilsurpDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 04:13 PM #10
Erno86's Avatar
Erno86 Erno86 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Marriottsville, Maryland
Posts: 1,778
Erno86 Erno86 is offline
Banned
Erno86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Marriottsville, Maryland
Posts: 1,778
I make it a habit of dropping the magazine bottom floor plate of my Mosins when a ceasefire is called.
Erno86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 04:56 PM #11
S&W19's Avatar
S&W19 S&W19 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Baltimore County
Posts: 1,003
S&W19 S&W19 is offline
Senior Member
S&W19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Baltimore County
Posts: 1,003
Wow. I've had my Russian SKS at AGC a couple of times and used a chamber flag, but never thought to pop open the magazine during cease fire. I guess I inadvertently broke the rules. Oops! I will from now on.
__________________
NRA Life Member
S&W19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 05:25 PM #12
Doco Overboard's Avatar
Doco Overboard Doco Overboard is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: The heart of the Delmarva Penninsula
Posts: 1,288
Doco Overboard Doco Overboard is offline
Senior Member
Doco Overboard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: The heart of the Delmarva Penninsula
Posts: 1,288
I dont know whose running that place but rules is rules I guess. They just want to be safe and that's ok because they may see all types. I wonder if they would consider a bobsled or sled for a garand a magazine.
Doco Overboard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 07:39 PM #13
SlowShooter's Avatar
SlowShooter SlowShooter is online now
will get there eventually
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 360
SlowShooter SlowShooter is online now
will get there eventually
SlowShooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 360
Skip,

If you buy American made chamber plug, you need only one.
SlowShooter is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 07:45 PM #14
Threeband's Avatar
Threeband Threeband is offline
The M1 Does My Talking
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Carroll County
Posts: 13,283
Threeband Threeband is offline
The M1 Does My Talking
Threeband's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Carroll County
Posts: 13,283
Cylinder should be completely removed from that revolver during cease fire.

It would never occur to me to remove the magazine from a Lee Enfield or a K31. Open bolt and chamber flag, combined with no touching should be plenty good enough. Still, the AGC has improved a lot over the years.

Question: Do they expect shooters with tubular magazine .22s to remove their tubular magazines?
Threeband is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 08:00 PM #15
SKIP's Avatar
SKIP SKIP is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glenwood/Glenelg
Posts: 1,955
SKIP SKIP is online now
Senior Member
SKIP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glenwood/Glenelg
Posts: 1,955
Quote:
Originally Posted by Threeband View Post
Cylinder should be completely removed from that revolver during cease fire.

It would never occur to me to remove the magazine from a Lee Enfield or a K31. Open bolt and chamber flag, combined with no touching should be plenty good enough. Still, the AGC has improved a lot over the years.

Question: Do they expect shooters with tubular magazine .22s to remove their tubular magazines?
I hear that next year during a cease fire instead of stepping off the concrete pad we will be required to get in your car.

You know I am kidding.
SKIP is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 08:12 PM #16
SlowShooter's Avatar
SlowShooter SlowShooter is online now
will get there eventually
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 360
SlowShooter SlowShooter is online now
will get there eventually
SlowShooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 360
Quote:
Originally Posted by plinkerton View Post
I've never removed the magazine from my Enfield at AGC. I know the magazine is removable, but I think I've only removed it once.
Thanks for admitting it. I think all Lee enfield owner will have a bad day now and then. it's just a matter of time before you get caught again, especially when you spend 4hrs concentrating on your targets every weekend.

It's a lot safer shooting with your mouth and you never break any ranges rule.
SlowShooter is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 08:13 PM #17
Shazam's Avatar
Shazam Shazam is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 497
Images: 6
Shazam Shazam is online now
Member
Shazam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 497
Images: 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by Threeband View Post
Question: Do they expect shooters with tubular magazine .22s to remove their tubular magazines?
I have been told to do so once with my old Marlin 81.
Shazam is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 08:16 PM #18
whistlersmother whistlersmother is online now
Peace through strength
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Fulton, MD
Posts: 3,091
whistlersmother whistlersmother is online now
Peace through strength
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Fulton, MD
Posts: 3,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by SKIP View Post
You broke no rules. Range rules can become absurd.

IS MY PYTHON SAFE?
Its not safe.
.
.
.
You didn't wrap it in a rubber bag.

I have a S&W Victory I'd like to test fire, but I don't have enough ECI to take with me...
whistlersmother is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 08:35 PM #19
SlowShooter's Avatar
SlowShooter SlowShooter is online now
will get there eventually
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 360
SlowShooter SlowShooter is online now
will get there eventually
SlowShooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 360
Quote:
Originally Posted by Threeband View Post
Cylinder should be completely removed from that revolver during cease fire.

It would never occur to me to remove the magazine from a Lee Enfield or a K31. Open bolt and chamber flag, combined with no touching should be plenty good enough. Still, the AGC has improved a lot over the years.

Question: Do they expect shooters with tubular magazine .22s to remove their tubular magazines?
Every Range Officer interprets the rules the same but each looks at our guns differently. Some think K31, Enfield magazines are fixed type, others say they are removeable type like AK/AR mags. I remember a couple of weeks ago, when a member complained that he could not remove the F#$@&#g magazine, The Range Officer suggested to put the rifle in it's case. So the day when they come up with new rules for tubular magazines is coming. If it's named MAGAZINE it must be removed period, that what they told me.
SlowShooter is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2017, 08:49 PM #20
SlowShooter's Avatar
SlowShooter SlowShooter is online now
will get there eventually
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 360
SlowShooter SlowShooter is online now
will get there eventually
SlowShooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Posts: 360
Quote:
Originally Posted by iH8DemLibz View Post
Imagine the chaos that would ensue if someone didn't open the magazine door on their Krag.
Krag is a very dangerous (also very effective) weapon because it's the only rifle I see with the ability to load the chamber and ready for firing while its magazine being reloaded.

SlowShooter is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

  Home Page > Forum List > The Arsenal > Curio and Relic (C&R)


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2017, Congregate Media, LP Privacy Policy Terms of Service