"wonder ammo"

240 towles · Apr 3, 2009

How does everybody feel about "special" ammo like dragons breath, flechette, bola, pepper spray, rubber shot, "double whammy", "pitbull", "rhodesian jungle" and others? Me personally I think that rubber slug ammo is good for police/military use and maybe as a first shot for home defense to prove escalation of force. the rest seem like expensive fourth of july, fun ammo with few tactical purposes.

joppaj · Apr 3, 2009

Mostly useless gimmicks designed to seperate the easily impressed from thier money.

DD214 · Apr 3, 2009

joppaj said:
Mostly useless gimmicks designed to seperate the easily impressed from thier money.

240 towles · Apr 3, 2009

haha whoopidy doo, ive seen more flash from 12 gauge flares! he might as well throw sparklers

h2u · Apr 3, 2009

DD-
You love pullin' that video up almost as much as Novus loves to comment on umbrella drinks

DD214 said:

Numidian · Apr 3, 2009

240 towles said:
Me personally I think that rubber slug ammo is good for police/military use and maybe as a first shot for home defense to prove escalation of force.

Loading less than lethal rounds is ridiculous for defense IMO. If I pull the trigger, my life is going to be in danger and if my life is in danger, I plan on making sure that the BG's life is in danger as well.

joppaj said:
Mostly useless gimmicks designed to seperate the easily impressed from thier money.

It's like fishing lures... Most fishing lures are designed to catch fisherman in a store not fish in a lake

240 towles · Apr 3, 2009

Numidian said:
Loading less than lethal rounds is ridiculous for defense IMO. If I pull the trigger, my life is going to be in danger and if my life is in danger, I plan on making sure that the BG's life is in danger as well.

I totally understand where your coming from, and I agree, the situation I was thinking of is say, an unarmed burgler or a combative drunk, i think it would be better to break a few ribs on a BG than try to grapple with him. And In that case I think would be hard to explain why i fired lethal ammo on an unarmed man.

novus collectus · Apr 3, 2009

DD214 said:

Oh man, you just had to go there! :lol2:

novus collectus · Apr 3, 2009

240 towles said:
How does everybody feel about "special" ammo like dragons breath, flechette, bola, pepper spray, rubber shot, "double whammy", "pitbull", "rhodesian jungle" and others? Me personally I think that rubber slug ammo is good for police/military use and maybe as a first shot for home defense to prove escalation of force. the rest seem like expensive fourth of july, fun ammo with few tactical purposes.

Dragons breath might be cool at night, but that is all.
Flechette is pointless unless you get the high tech version which I do not think is affordable.
Bolo is a wast of money because they do not do what they claim. However the wound the two, flat cylindrical slugs would leave at close quarters would probably be truly devastating. They are innacurate as hell over any distance though.
Pitbull..... :thumbsup:

I would buy it again. It kicked hard like it had some serious kickass power.

NateTheShake · Apr 3, 2009

240 towles said:
I totally understand where your coming from, and I agree, the situation I was thinking of is say, an unarmed burgler or a combative drunk, i think it would be better to break a few ribs on a BG than try to grapple with him. And In that case I think would be hard to explain why i fired lethal ammo on an unarmed man.

In that case I think a firearm is more of a standoff device. Unarmed or not, if I'm wielding a shotgun at someone and they still attempt to attack me I feel that is just cause to shoot. I am NO lawyer, but in my opinion if someone is crazy enough to attack an armed individual while they are "unarmed" then they are probably NOT unarmed.

Of course I will avoid confrontation at all costs, but if it comes down to it I'm not going to give a warning shot with some rubber balls.

smokey · Apr 3, 2009

herpessure bullets...hollow points filled with the herpes virus and then capped with a ballistic tip. if you shoot a criminal and they get away, they'll be sorry a couple days later...

smokey · Apr 3, 2009

novus, how bout commenting on these puppies below...the ol timbs. i hear they still don't get enough velocity to make up for the reduction in mass and the sabot means the projectile has more wiggle room traveling through the bore making them less accurate.

smokey · Apr 3, 2009

as for wonder ammo that never came to be check out the 5.6 mm fleschette that the steyr ACR was designed to shoot...

joppaj · Apr 3, 2009

240 towles said:
I totally understand where your coming from, and I agree, the situation I was thinking of is say, an unarmed burgler or a combative drunk, i think it would be better to break a few ribs on a BG than try to grapple with him. And In that case I think would be hard to explain why i fired lethal ammo on an unarmed man.

Negative my friend. In this non-lawyer's opinion, the only way I'm pointing a shotgun at someone and pulling the trigger is when I've made the determination that I need to stop this threat and my target's death is an acceptible outcome. A shotgun is a lethal weapon. I don't think many juries will be convinced by the argument that you only intended to injure the subject.

You want to do those things, get the nastiest pepper spray you can find, I recommend Sabre Red. Pepper spray gets a bad rap and my experience is that it's usually highly effective, your grumpy drunk will not be amused, or in any condition to fight after a face full. If it's in my home and this guy wants to wrestle, I'm not going to have much trouble articulating why I was in fear for my life and used lethal force.

I am not a lawyer.

E.Shell · Apr 3, 2009

Just MHO, and IANAL, but home defense calls for standard, dependable ammo of sufficient power to penetrate and stop the fight. If a shotgun: buckshot. If a handgun or carbine: jacketed hollow points.

The ONLY permissible reason to use deadly force is when you fear for you life and are preventing imminent profound wounding or death. Only when there is no other choice, the trigger is pulled.

Firing a less-than-lethal round is STILL firing a firearm at someone, and will be treated this way, as deadly force, and the ammo type is of no real concern. Less-than-lethal rounds can still be lethal under certain circumstances, especially at home defense distances.

If one is actually needs to fire a firearm in self defense, the circumstances will warrant the most effective and immediate way to stop the attack and the fantasy of having several opportunities to shoot is just that, fantasy.

Things happen VERY quickly in these situations and you may only get one shot that must count in the highest stakes situation you'll ever face. Firing a less-than-lethal round or some gimmick ammo first may squander your ONLY CHANCE to defend yourself.

jjboxman · Apr 3, 2009

Dragons breath is fun, catching the other trap shooters off guard at night. Not good during the day.

joppaj · Apr 3, 2009

I beat you to the submit button Ed, but you said it so much better. The Gentleman from Joppa would like to second everything Mr Shell has typed.

jjboxman · Apr 3, 2009

joppaj said:
I beat you to the submit button Ed, but you said it so much better. The Gentleman from Joppa would like to second everything Mr Shell has typed.

X2

Boondock Saint · Apr 3, 2009

X3. Couldn't have said it better myself.

alucard0822 · Apr 3, 2009

+1 for what Ed and Joppa said, but

how can you argue with this :lol2:

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