- Feb 4, 2013
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Harford Co.fence/boundary question
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I was trying to figure out how he bought the house without a survey.
When we bought ours, there was a survey, and for many years the property survey stakes were in place, except one my neighbor pulled up to avoid mowing over it.
Square lot, so only 4 markers needed.
Also, who put in the fence? If the OP, then he should of pulled the permit. If he had someone do it, THEY needed to pull the permit AND make sure they were within code.
Not all lenders require a survey. Some do and some don't. Location(cheap) and boundary(expensive) survey are different, too.
j_h_smith
Ultimate Member
- Jul 28, 2007
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You are correct, but I would never buy a property without having a boundary survey done. I bought a new house in a planned community, but I still had a survey done with stakes at each change in the boundary. At the time, it was cheap. I only had to pay an additional $250 to have the stakes installed. They had to do the boundary survey to convey the property, so I only paid extra for the spikes to be driven into the ground.
I personally would insist that a proper survey and stakes installed for a new property purchase. I want to know exactly what's mine from the very beginning.
Imagine buying an existing house with a neighbor having a fence around their back yard, only to find out that his fence is 2 ft on your property. I would want that cleared up BEFORE I move in.
Just one man's opinion...
A friend of mine lucked out in a deal like this. She owns some property in another state and her neighbor decided to install a septic tank. He messed up with the property lines and she now has a septic tank already installed on her property waiting for the day that she decides to build a house. Or, if she just decides to sell, it will help her property value.
I recently pulled out my survey from when I purchased my house. I think it was around $300 and was only good to within 3 feet. After marking some of those points I think it isn't even within 3 feet.
Ranchero50
Ultimate Member
I'd get the survey done and then build the most obnoxious looking fence I could find at that one spot painted fuchsia or something else.. Bullies only respect force.
Don H
Ultimate Member
So, what did you do? Just build the stairs?????
Or can you do a retroactive permit?
No. Ha Co P&L was going to make the owner get the existing deck inspected before issuing a permit. As far as I know that never happened.
Don H
Ultimate Member
What kind of survey is good to within only 3'? Zoning not gonna be happy when you're suppose to honor a 10' setback and you tell them "well it's 10' off the line, plus or minus 3'!
Stein79
Surf&Turf
Why would zoning require a 10' setback?
Or are you speaking in generalities?
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j_h_smith
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- Jul 28, 2007
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I'm getting very confused. When I got my permit for my deck, Harford County told me to look in my settlement paperwork and get a copy of my plat (which is the official survey of your property). I don't understand why people don't have copies. I do know Harford County said will look up your deed and make a copy of your plat survey (not sure of the cost).
I can't imagine why anyone would do a survey and it's only good for a 3' variance. Not to mention that the OP didn't get a plat survey when they bought the house. How could someone sell their house and the buyer accept a deed with a survey which isn't close to being accurate.
I may be misunderstanding or something isn't right in my brain.
I can't imagine why anyone would do a survey and it's only good for a 3' variance. Not to mention that the OP didn't get a plat survey when they bought the house. How could someone sell their house and the buyer accept a deed with a survey which isn't close to being accurate.
I may be misunderstanding or something isn't right in my brain.
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lowoncash
Baned
So if I understand this right, good fences don't make good neighbors?
Right, I was pretty disappointed. They didn't put stakes down or anything. I just got a drawing that said my property line was X feet from the corners of the house in certain directions. Completely useless but required for the mortgage.
- Feb 4, 2013
- 28,175
Not completely useless. You have a fixed position and a distance and direction. So you can put down your own stakes.
And even if they had put down stakes, who says someone would not pull them or move them?
My neighbor pulled one of the stakes from my survey. But I had the other 3 (square lot) and the dimensions. Maybe only one or two left. But enough to site my garage when I built it.
And even if they had put down stakes, who says someone would not pull them or move them?
My neighbor pulled one of the stakes from my survey. But I had the other 3 (square lot) and the dimensions. Maybe only one or two left. But enough to site my garage when I built it.
The survey you get at settlement is generally a "house location survey" which is insufficient for the proper location of the boundary lines. A subdivision plat is useful but only if you can locate all the boundary pins or monuments on the ground. A boundary survey upfront is well worth the money. And for the record, I'm not trying to drum up business for the survey community but after working in the real property/right-of-way field for 30 years, I've had more than my share of boundary issues to resolve.
sgt23preston
USMC LLA. NRA Life Member
I had a formal boundary survey done on my last home complete with stakes...
I carefully marked the locations with using wires at 90 degrees at each stake...
Then I used a post hole digger to dig 18" deep holes...
At the exact center of each stake I drove in a 1" diameter steel pipe x 3" feet deep into the earth...
Next I filled the holes with HD concrete & tapped the pipes flush with the concrete & about 1" above the surrounding earth...
You can relocate the steel pipes with a magnet any time & put a dowel or smaller pipe to relocate the corners...
It works...
Don H
Ultimate Member
My survey registered with the county has 2 different property lines (total of over 2'000') with a 10' set back. No building can be erected within the setback.
Stein79
Surf&Turf
Ahh no building. I am only concerned about a fence set back distance.
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j_h_smith
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- Jul 28, 2007
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Fences aren't usually included in property setbacks. They are considered removable. The setback is meant for anything permanent, something with a foundation.
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