HBAR a Regulated Firearm?

ChannelCat · Mar 6, 2019

All this talk about HBARs and the Maryland Politburo had me wondering about something. Is an HBAR AR even a regulated firearm in Maryland? If so, did they become regulated in 2013?

I know someone who got an HBAR a number of years back (before 2013), and they only filled out the federal form, and no secondary Maryland form. If they are not regulated (the state doesn't know who has them), what is the big worry about no grandfather clause?

Just wondering.

DutchV · Mar 6, 2019

HBAR is cash-n-carry, no MD state paperwork required. Lower receivers are regulated since you could make a pistol from them.

ken792 · Mar 6, 2019

DutchV said:
HBAR is cash-n-carry, no MD state paperwork required. Lowers are regulated since you could make a pistol from them.

AR15 lowers are regulated because MD thinks they are. There are plenty of other receivers that MD doesn't consider regulated even though handguns can be made from them too, like AR10 and 10/22 stripped receivers. MD even requires HQLs and rosters for some receivers like Lone Wolf Glock frames and 1911 frames.

mopar92 · Mar 6, 2019

ChannelCat said:
All this talk about HBARs and the Maryland Politburo had me wondering about something. Is an HBAR AR even a regulated firearm in Maryland? If so, did they become regulated in 2013?

I know someone who got an HBAR a number of years back (before 2013), and they only filled out the federal form, and no secondary Maryland form. If they are not regulated (the state doesn't know who has them), what is the big worry about no grandfather clause?

Just wondering.

No grandfather clause means felon overnight, confiscation and all that entails.

Ranchero50 · Mar 6, 2019

Ditto. It means a lot of law abiding folks are at jeopardy if the Po po notices the rifle during a what ever visit.

KevinK · Mar 6, 2019

mopar92 said:
No grandfather clause means felon overnight, confiscation and all that entails.

Based on the bill (IMO), the pre-2013 HBARS are ok.

Post 2013 HBARS are as you note above.

ChannelCat · Mar 6, 2019

KevinK said:
Based on the bill (IMO), the pre-2013 HBARS are ok.

Post 2013 HBARS are as you note above.

So it sounds like in 2013, the state required the extra paperwork in order to purchase an HBAR AR?

KevinK · Mar 6, 2019

ChannelCat said:
So it sounds like in 2013, the state required the extra paperwork in order to purchase an HBAR AR?

No, HBARS were, and still are unregulated.

It's the non-HBARs that were banned after 10/1/2013.

Whether post 10/1/2013 HBARs are going to be illegal is TBD

PJDiesel · Mar 6, 2019

No one has touched on the HBARS that were sold as "regulated" (not cash/carry/FTF) back in the day.

eruby · Mar 6, 2019

PJDiesel said:
No one has touched on the HBARS that were sold as "regulated" (not cash/carry/FTF) back in the day.

I didn't ~~punch~~ touch that ~~doh-gee~~ HBAR (kudos to ANYONE who gets that).

PJDiesel · Mar 6, 2019

eruby said:
I didn't ~~punch~~ touch that ~~doh-gee~~ HBAR (kudos to ANYONE who gets that).

If it's not an R-Kelly reference then I'm lost.

eruby · Mar 6, 2019

PJDiesel said:
If it's not an R-Kelly reference then I'm lost.

I have no idea who/what an "R-Kelly" is.

Mea culpa.

ChannelCat · Mar 6, 2019

KevinK said:
No, HBARS were, and still are unregulated.

It's the non-HBARs that were banned after 10/1/2013.

Whether post 10/1/2013 HBARs are going to be illegal is TBD

So, if this bill passes and there is no grandfather clause (God forbid), and the state doesn't know the whereabouts of a bunch of HBARs purchased after 2013, how are these a$$holes going to round them up?

In short, what HBAR?
:innocent0

eruby · Mar 6, 2019

ChannelCat said:
So, if this bill passes and there is no grandfather clause (God forbid), and the state doesn't know the whereabouts of a bunch of HBARs purchased after 2013, how are these a$$holes going to round them up?

In short, what HBAR?

Proceed sir (Doc Holliday) to Royal Farms, for your chicken dinner.

PJDiesel · Mar 6, 2019

ChannelCat said:
So, if this bill passes and there is no grandfather clause (God forbid), and the state doesn't know the whereabouts of a bunch of HBARs purchased after 2013, how are these a$$holes going to round them up?

In short, what HBAR?

Yes and no. I've got ~20 guns that are going to need to be "registered" if things go as planned in this session.

It becomes an issue when I'm generally minding my own business (hunting, target shooting, etc) and I'm now in possession of an "unregistered" firearm.

Go from law abiding to prolly not even allowed to OWN a gun in a matter of one interaction with law enforcement.

light12pdr · Mar 6, 2019

What if a person built an HBAR from an unmarked 80% lower? How does one prove (or disprove) date of manufacture?

scjamesm · Mar 6, 2019

Folks, the bill will likely be desk drawered because the submitter was a nimrod. It might come back in 2020 as a different form but i give it zero chance of passing this session unless delegate Ivey wants a war.

Malleovic · Mar 6, 2019

PJDiesel said:
Yes and no. I've got ~20 guns that are going to need to be "registered" if things go as planned in this session.

It becomes an issue when I'm generally minding my own business (hunting, target shooting, etc) and I'm now in possession of an "unregistered" firearm.

Go from law abiding to prolly not even allowed to OWN a gun in a matter of one interaction with law enforcement.

I have been unable to locate any law this session that requires registration of existing firearms. Please point me to which one you are referencing.

Malleovic · Mar 6, 2019

light12pdr said:
What if a person built an HBAR from an unmarked 80% lower? How does one prove (or disprove) date of manufacture?

Unclear. However, if HB740 passes all 80%s are banned for possession anyway.

rseymorejr · Mar 6, 2019

light12pdr said:
What if a person built an HBAR from an unmarked 80% lower? How does one prove (or disprove) date of manufacture?

Voluntarily serialize them:

Serial# 1967-1
1967-2
1967-3

Etc, etc, etc

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