Coulter NAILS it ...

danb said:

Evidently, Coulter is speaking at Berkeley anyway.

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EL1227 said:

Like her or not, she freely speaks her mind AND she's spot on for most of her positions.

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Abellmio said:

I would like to produce an Ann Coulter quote for you and see what you think about it:

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

I don't think I can imagine a less conservative position than this.

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Abellmio said:

I don't think I can imagine a less conservative libertarian position than this.

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danb said:

could be "conservative," but "conservative" is not always consistent with freedom.

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“Everything we’re doing is so the speaker and students can actually exercise their rights without disruption,” Berkeley spokesman Dan Mogulof said. “It’s unfortunate that there are people who think the university’s efforts to keep students and the speaker herself safe are ‘silly.”

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The decision to cancel Coulter’s speech came drew sharp criticism from some on the campus, such as Robert Reich, a Berkeley professor who served as labor secretary under President Bill Clinton.

“This is a grave mistake,” Reich said in a Facebook post. He said universities should “do everything possible to foster and protect” free speech, writing that students should be allowed to hear Coulter’s arguments and question them.

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The University’s transparently insincere offer to permit Ms. Coulter to speak during a two-hour window of time on May 2 when the students who invited here will not be in class and will instead by studying for finals, and when Ms. Coulter will no longer be in the area, is not a suitable alternative (indeed – it does not even pass the proverbial “smell test” of credibility), and we hereby reject it. The illegitimate time, place and manner restrictions imposed by the University will prejudicially limit, if not eviscerate, student access to the event, defeating its very purpose, and depriving Berkeley students of a much-needed counterweight to the favored voices such as Mr. Fox’s, or Ms. Echaveste’s, that UC Berkeley warmly welcomes. We note that the unilateral cancellation of Ms. Coulter’s planned speech comes on the heels of UC Berkeley’s similar silencing of two other speakers invited by the BCR—noted author and conservative activist David Horowitz earlier this month, and Milo Yiannopoulus, both of whom UC Berkeley officials cancelled at the last minute on the pretext of being unable to provide adequate security, and after, in Mr. Yiannopoulos’s case, forcing the BCR group to pay a large sum of money for security, and in the case of Mr. Horowitz, requiring that his remarks be delivered in the middle of the day (during a time when most students are in class), and in a remote area on the periphery of the campus.

In each of the three recent conservative speech censorship instances, UC Berkeley impermissibly has allowed a “heckler’s veto” to suppress the free speech rights of speakers properly invited by recognized student groups, and in each case, did so after first attempting to bully the students out of pursuing their quest to hear these alternative voices by piling on requirement after unconstitutional requirement – “security fees,” inconvenient hours, inconvenient locations, attendance restrictions, and more. UC Berkeley may not censor speech its administrators plainly disfavor, simply because a potential mob shares the administrators’ distaste. See, e.g., Forsyth Cnty. v. Nationalist Movement, 505 U.S. 123, 134-35 (1992) (“[l]isteners’ reaction to speech is not a content-neutral regulation. [citations omitted]. Speech cannot be financially burdened, any more than it can be punished or banned, simply because it might offend a hostile mob.”).

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danb said:

re-read the actual quote.

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"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

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justiw said:

Here it is for posterity

Name a libertarian ideal which condones
1. Invade a country (sovereignty? )
2. Kill its leaders (unalienable right to life and liberty through due process?)
3. Convert them to Christianity (separation of church and state?)
4. Carpet bombing civilian cities (really?)
5. We are not at war. War has not been declared for any of our current conflicts.

I would say that quote is almost completely the antithesis of Libertarianism. Perhaps you should read it again.

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It's called hyperbole ... She uses it frequently and I happen to enjoy a chuckle when she does.

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EL1227 said:

I'll repeat my post from above ...Trying to analyze Coulter's comments, then pigeon-holing them on the political spectrum is a fools errand. If you take into account her friends and personal life, she's a liberal ...
And on the Constitution, she's conservative, and her world view is isolationist libertarian.

She's an ...

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EL1227 said:

Trying to analyze Coulter's comments, then pigeon-holing them on the political spectrum is a fools errand.

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justiw said:

I agree with you. My point was that danb should not have attributed that quote to Libertarianism, without providing more context to support his point. Too many people think of Libertarians as kookie potheads with no clue. We don't need them thinking of us as extremest religious authoritarians as well.

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“Berkeley, you know, used to be the cradle of free speech,” Maher said to CNN's S.E. Cupp. “And now it's just the cradle for f—king babies.”

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I feel like this is the liberals’ version of book burning, and it’s got to stop,

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Coulter’s choice of Sproul Plaza, site of the Free Speech Movement protests in the 1960s, is both symbolic and logistically challenging for the university because anyone can be there. Dirks said that for an inside event, the university would have metal detectors and other ways to search for weapons, but security will be much more difficult in a public outdoor space.

“If somebody brings weapons, there’s no way to block off the site, or to screen them,” Dirks said, noting that officials know that some of the demonstrators, such as those known as Black Bloc, know how to penetrate the crowd and use it as a shield. “In an open space, you have almost no control over that,” he said. “The challenges are immense.”

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Charles “Sid” Heal, a retired commander from the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department who met with Berkeley police on Monday and others said there is deep discord between the Berkeley Police Department and the city government, led by Jesse Arreguin, the 32-year-old newly elected mayor facing his first major test in running a large city. Arreguin has been accused of supporting left-wing violence because he is a member of the Facebook group of By Any Means Necessary, or BAMN, an anarchist group that has incited violent protests across the country.

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“Mayor Arreguin is not representing all of Berkeley right now,” the source who wished to remain anonymous told Fox News, “he’s coming from a deep leftist position. We have some very radical elements on the police review commission. Jesse is emboldening them because he has a majority on the commission.”

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We are sending the same outstanding Oath Keepers team of current and retired LEOs (most of them from CA) and special warfare and infantry veterans who helped make the April 15, 2017 Patriots Day Free Speech Rally a smashing victory for free speech and a total FAIL for the flag burning Anti-fa and the America hating Marxists of BAMN.* On the 15th, the enemies of free speech were unable to touch a hair on the head of any of the speakers, and were unable to prevent the audience from hearing the speeches.*

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CrazySanMan said:

Stewart Rhodes has issued a Call To Action for all Oath Keepers who are able to go to Berkley to help protect Ann and those who wish to hear her.

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justiw said:

Here it is for posterity



Name a libertarian ideal which condones
1. Invade a country (sovereignty? )
2. Kill its leaders (unalienable right to life and liberty through due process?)
3. Convert them to Christianity (separation of church and state?)
4. Carpet bombing civilian cities (really?)
5. We are not at war. War has not been declared for any of our current conflicts.

I would say that quote is almost completely the antithesis of Libertarianism. Perhaps you should read it again.

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