Mryana, very valid points. Like I said, I am sure a myriad of questions and answers will be in one's mind in such situations.
----- Not directed at you, mryana, but for general info since Branca was mentioned previously.
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----- Not directed at you, mryana, but for general info since Branca was mentioned previously.
You can’t run every possible, too many moving parts. There are a lot of considerations, moving parts, unexpected actions, and snap decisions.
The OODA loop. Learn it, live it, love it.
Rule #1 in any emergency where you are not in direct danger: check your own pulse.
Rule #2 your own safety is paramount. Selfish, but what is the use of being a dead hero? Yes, this will change depending on who is in danger.
Massad Ayoob discusses the Philando Castile case which also explains what to say or not to say and how to remain undead if stopped by police while carrying. How Mr Castile had a CCW as a scofflaw and pot smoker etc remains a huge question for me.
Because he didn’t have any criminal convictions on his record. He had one minor pot possession charge years before, but the charge was dropped. The “scofflaw” part is he got pulled over a huge amount. With the vast majority of the driving offenses dismissed (so yeah, probably racially profiled).
As far as the law was concerned at least, he wasn’t a criminal. Nor did the officer who shot him aware of any of that or the person in question either.
Gotcha lazarus, I was thinking he had a reputed worse record which would of course disqualify someone for CCW.
Simple answer, he wasn't, he was legal firearms owner and legal CCW carrier.
As for what to say to LE, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It really is that simple for both.
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My views are simple..
No one who is planning on breaking into your home is going to tell someone else their plan sooo..
They will never leave my home alive.
No 911 will be called
Body will never be found..
As far as the rest of the world goes, the invader never existed..
They will need to actually break in though.. im not shooting someone on my porch or in my yard..
No one who is planning on breaking into your home is going to tell someone else their plan sooo..
They will never leave my home alive.
No 911 will be called
Body will never be found..
As far as the rest of the world goes, the invader never existed..
They will need to actually break in though.. im not shooting someone on my porch or in my yard..
Yeah, I was informed of my misunderstanding of the degree to which Mr. Castile had crossed any legal/ illegal activities thresholds.
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As a Grouchy Old White Guy, I'm well aware of being a serious threat to the community for my assumed beliefs. Therefore, during my interactions with the police while in my vehicle, I take special pains to keep both hands in view on the steering wheel when Officer Friendly approaches.
This does not appear to be SOP with LEO interactions with POC, at least, not the interactions that end with one or another approaching room temperature. I have a tough time comprehending why this should be so.
This does not appear to be SOP with LEO interactions with POC, at least, not the interactions that end with one or another approaching room temperature. I have a tough time comprehending why this should be so.
My good friend who passed away last year, told me a funny one from his former work place. Where they posted signs for safe work practices like this. He told me he fixed their one sign. It used to say, "Protect your back. When lifting, use your legs. " He told me he crossed out legs and wrote in " forklift"*****Please make sure to use your legs and not your back when lifting the body!
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Unless the recently deceased (armed?) criminal did tell someone, and/or his partner/s in crime who were waiting for the all clear signal fled when they heard the fatal gunshots. Now you may have a bigger problem than if you called 911 for a righteous shooting. Just something to consider. LOL
Bob A. I learned the proper or recommended thing to do if stopped by officers. The crazy part is I try my best to drive extra safely. However, if you'd have asked the 16 year old me if I would have predicted even close to how many times in 42 years of driving would be my actual number, I'd have seriously underestimated. But, of the actual stops, only a few times was I actually violating traffic laws or speed limits. Other times were them checking me out for my own safety, such as one night on 695 at like 3-4 am no tail lights. Both bulbs had burned out. Ha, I asked the cop if he wanted me to just put new bulbs in right there or what? He said no and told me to use my hazards. I thanked him for stopping me to alert me of the issue. Crazy thing is, with 1 screw per tail light,. I could have fixed it faster than it was for him to write me the inspection ticket.
A few other times, I got pulled over usually at night again. Once in York PA on my Harley. I made a u turn to hit a gas station I had passed, but the intersection was not well marked for no u turn. I had passed the sign and didn't see it by the time I changed lanes to get to the left turn lane at the light. Of course a cop had to be off to my right to see my unintentional mistake in that unknown area. $65 blown. I was pissed. Other times I had issues not crossing center lines as cops tailed me too close and headlights blinded me. Those times cops checked to make sure I wasn't drunk. Which I was not.
I don’t get the instinct to hide a criminal intruder’s trespass, threat, and your reaction to it. Unless the concern is that you deliberately intend to use lethal force when you won’t have the legal cover for it.
Also: everybody has a mobile phone. That guy’s ping/GPS trail will lead right up to your door.
It’s frankly the most fanciful and bluntly stupid things said by some in regards to defense of their home. It’s just murder at that point.
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