no idea. call but they are closed Mondays
Cant seem to find an HBAR for the life of me
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- Jul 29, 2014
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It would be a safe bet, if they have the barrel, it will probably be an Hbar. White Oaks are much in demand. Best talk to them felers.
I have their 20" SS .223 wylde 1:8 HBAR barrel is it shoots well for me. I need more rounds of the better shooting loads, but so far my best is PPU 75gr .223. It shoots about .8 MOA 5 round groups for me. A few other 64, 69, 75 and 77gr .223 and 5.56 BTHP and gold dot rounds shoot in the 1-1.5 MOA range. IMI m855 oddly seems to shoot about .8MOA as well. Though it is hit or miss. I can shoot 2 .7-.9MOA groups and then the next 5 shot group will have 4 within an inch easy and then one flier an inch and a half from the main group. Rinse and repeat. Considering it isn't match ammo, no surprise. I am just surprised most rounds in a box seem to group so well.
I am trying my luck with a Classic Firearms 20" HBAR next. They have them 20% off (all AR barrels). At $113 it was hard to pass up. Most of their barrels seem to have very good reviews and for about the same price (well, pre sale) that my AR Stoner barrel was, I picked up a .223 Wylde HBAR 20" 1:8 spiral fluted and nitrided. It'll likely be a long time till I build a rifle around the barrel (or upper).
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
No, that wasn't his initial post, but he got some responses stating that as long as the barrel is not .223/5.56, it does not need to be HBAR. He asked for a source. I provided the source and my opinion for free, and you know what they say about getting something for "free".
Not sure if this 223/556 HBAR barrel from Brownell's was already posted upthread. Package deal with an upper. Never heard of the barrel maker which might explain the cheap price ...
https://gun.deals/product/brownells...w-16-hbar-barrel-13999-shipped-after-code-ldd
ETA: $75 barrel alone ...
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...barrel-223-wylde-hbar-profile-prod104170.aspx
Also look for Heavy contour here ...
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...15-m16-223-wylde-match-barrels-prod54526.aspx
https://gun.deals/product/brownells...w-16-hbar-barrel-13999-shipped-after-code-ldd
ETA: $75 barrel alone ...
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...barrel-223-wylde-hbar-profile-prod104170.aspx
Also look for Heavy contour here ...
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...15-m16-223-wylde-match-barrels-prod54526.aspx
So what prevents a person from manufacturing barrels and just stamping HBAR regardless of the diameter?
Steve_Zissou
Ultimate Member
Nothing, really, from what I understand.
Someone needs to make an accurate A1 profile 20" barrel with "HBAR" stamped somewhere that'd be well hidden by the triangular foregrip.
I'd buy one.
I'm in the "still planning my next toy" phase of things. Knowing for sure that they have the barrel of my affection in stock, coupled with those $49 Aero lowers Brownells has on sale, is a recipe for impulse builds and a subsequent scolding from the missus.
Someone needs to make an accurate A1 profile 20" barrel with "HBAR" stamped somewhere that'd be well hidden by the triangular foregrip.
I'd buy one.
I'm in the "still planning my next toy" phase of things. Knowing for sure that they have the barrel of my affection in stock, coupled with those $49 Aero lowers Brownells has on sale, is a recipe for impulse builds and a subsequent scolding from the missus.
kraftyone
Active Member
- Mar 9, 2013
- 966
I am currently looking at a "20 Criterion barrel for my next build not cheap at $300 with the bolt. OP as everyone has stated you just have to look everyone is selling HBAR barrels now
Magnumite
Ultimate Member
I used an AR Stoner Gov't profile barrel for a few years, not a great number of rounds through it...maybe 800. Well cared for. It shot very well out to just about 200 yards which is the furthest I shot it. No complaints here. I listed it for sale only so I could hang a 16" HBAR on a post '13 acquired receiver.
bbradshaw21
Active Member
Bear Creek Arsenal
Does anyone have any experience with them? They have a bunch of HBAR profile barrels and they all seem relatively reasonable in price.
Does anyone have any experience with them? They have a bunch of HBAR profile barrels and they all seem relatively reasonable in price.
I purchased a 300BLK barrel from them and it is perfectly satisfactory, especially for the price. Their service was outstanding when the first one that they shipped got "lost" by UPS.
byf43
SCSC Life/NRA Patron Life
Can't access the site from work, but, look up Windham Weaponry.
They have had (and still should have) an HBAR 'kit'.
16". 1:9 twist. HBAR. M4 ramps.
With gas block (installed and pinned), gas tube, spring and barrel nut, flash hider/washer/nut.
I helped a good friend install one of these on his Upper. VERY accurate.
Look up thread. Myself and one other person already commented that AR Stoner barrels seem to be inexpensive, but pretty good accuracy/quality.
bbradshaw21
Active Member
My mistake
I'm really sorry. I was talking about Bear Creek Arsenal Barrels, not the AR Stoner barrels. Bear Creek has a TON of HBAR barrels listed on their site and they seem to be on the lower end of the price spectrum.
I'm really sorry. I was talking about Bear Creek Arsenal Barrels, not the AR Stoner barrels. Bear Creek has a TON of HBAR barrels listed on their site and they seem to be on the lower end of the price spectrum.
If you're not directly attached to the 5.56 NATO designation (the .223 Wylde should have no problem running 5.56 NATO ammunition), we have a number of HBAR configurations in a variety of lengths and finishes. American Defense MFG will label their .223 Wylde/.300 Blackout barrels HBAR on request as well.
If you have any other questions you're welcome to shoot us an email or give us a call!
http://criterionbarrels.com/ar-15-hbar
If you have any other questions you're welcome to shoot us an email or give us a call!
http://criterionbarrels.com/ar-15-hbar
- Jul 29, 2014
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All barrels I buy are 'listed' as 5.56. Maybe half of them really are. The others are somewhere between there and .223. Personally, I think it's much ado about nothing as it pertains to AR15 barrels. Everyone claims 5.56 is loaded hotter than .223. Fact is, the biggest difference between the two is how their pressure is measured. There is no way to actually compare the two.
Am I saying to shoot whatever you want through your rile? No. I'm saying, without properly gauging your own chambers to see what you really have, the crap shoot has already begun...and you ain't dead yet. Learn to read your brass. It will tell you whether you are shooting something that is a little too hot or not. Take a good armorer's course and spec your guns out. Lastly, get a hold of a reloading manual and compare loading differences between the two round types recommended there in.
Am I saying to shoot whatever you want through your rile? No. I'm saying, without properly gauging your own chambers to see what you really have, the crap shoot has already begun...and you ain't dead yet. Learn to read your brass. It will tell you whether you are shooting something that is a little too hot or not. Take a good armorer's course and spec your guns out. Lastly, get a hold of a reloading manual and compare loading differences between the two round types recommended there in.
dreadpirate
Ultimate Member
Waking from a well deserved nap, but isn't the difference using the .223 as a zero overall case length, that .223 wylde is .001" longer and the 5.56 is .002" longer?
That said in looking at chronographs of loads, most 5.56 does seem to be loaded hotter than most .223 and all of the highest energy loads I've ever seen in .223/5.56 are all 5.56x45 loaded rounds.
Most .223 seems to be loaded to around 1100-1250ft-lbs from a 20" barrel. Most 5.56 seems to be loaded to 1180-1300ft-lbs from a 20" barrel. I've seen a handful of .223 loaded to about 1280 or so out of a 20" and a few 5.56 that push a bit over 1350 out of a 20".
Me personally, unless there is something super desirable about a .223 barrel or a 5.56 barrel (they are often marked .223/5.56, which means they are usually 5.56 chambered) I just go .223 wylde. Right in between and so far I haven't met one that wasn't capable of good accuracy and is supposed to fire both .223 and 5.56 safely (and specifically with good accuracy).
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