Cant seem to find an HBAR for the life of me
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fabsroman
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I've attached a couple of sources for your perusal. What you really need to pay attention to is the conclusion paragraph in the AG opinion.
"For the reasons set forth above, it is our opinion that the reference to "copies" in PS section 5-101(p)(2) does not extend the regulated firearms law to weapons that bear a mere cosmetic similarity to a listed weapon. Rather, in order for a firearm to be considered a copy of a listed assault weapon, and therefore be governed by the regulated firearms law, there must be a similarity between the internal components and function of the firearm in question and those of one of the listed weapons. A determination as to whether a particular firearm bears such similarity is a factual question entrusted in the first instance to the Department of State Police."
Now, you need to read that and ask yourself, does a .300 BLK AR-15 have similar internal components and a similar function to the AR-15? You also have to notice that the opinion does not say that the rifle's function and its internal components must be an exact copy, just similar.
Other than the opinion letter above, there isn't much that defines what a copy really is, and in the second instance, it is a question for the trier of fact (i.e., judge/jury).
Now, until I receive something from an FFL's attorney stating that a non-HBAR .300 BLK barrel is alright and legal, or something from the AG or MSP, I am truly erring on the side of caution and building each and every post ban lower with a HBAR barrel, no matter the cartridge.
Of course, I am the black sheep when it comes to this subject.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
Thankfully, I cannot see the allure of an AR-15 in a pistol cartridge. I keep toying with the idea, and then coming back to the .223, etc. being more lethal than any pistol cartridge out there.
I know, pistol cartridge AR rifles are wonderful for plinking, but if I want to plink around, I'll just use 22lr. in a 10/22.
Of course, after I write this, I'll be changing my mind and ordering an 80% 9mm lower that uses Glock mags.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
Dude. Why plink with .22 when you can plink with a semi-v- caliber? Lol.
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I meant semi-deadly caliber. F'n auto correct!
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Magnumite
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I am with you on most of that, fasbroman. The only reason I consider a pistol caliber AR is for shooting sports. I stay with the 22LR then still end up not shooting it much.
mdbassplayer
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2A Sales had some Faxon heavy barrels last time I was in there. I bought a 16" Fluted Heavy Profile barrel direct from Faxon a while back and its nice. They carry other brands as well but I haven't looked closely to see what they were.
Magnumite
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Auto correct is disabled on my phone for just that reason... LOL!!!
omegared24
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http://palmettostatearmory.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Hbar
Both barrels are stamped HBAR. They don't have the second one in stock (I have two of those) but they get them in often. Just keep an eye out. Under 100 bucks.
Both barrels are stamped HBAR. They don't have the second one in stock (I have two of those) but they get them in often. Just keep an eye out. Under 100 bucks.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
Exactly. It all comes down to how safe you want to play things in the face of vagueness. Personally, I prefer HBAR in lieu of being behind bars. Each of us will have to assess our own risk tolerance. I'd laugh, but this is sad.
I don't think that was what he....
bigdv
Ultimate Member
The whole HBAR thing is nuts. Who is the almighty power that determines a gun is HBAR? There really is not much difference at all? But what do i know?
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
After reading that AG letter, I'm back to questioning whether 300BLK is OK with a Non-HBAR barrel post BS281. I was always of the opinion that you can't fire a 300BLK from a 5.56 barrel. Therefore the 300BLK could never be a copy of an AR-15.
The barrel all by its little lonesome is an external part.
All of the innards are the same.
The song that never ends. Kinda like .45acp vs. 9mm. Corrosive Ammo vs. Non-Corrosive Ammo.
The barrel all by its little lonesome is an external part.
All of the innards are the same.
The song that never ends. Kinda like .45acp vs. 9mm. Corrosive Ammo vs. Non-Corrosive Ammo.
Fear not! The chamber is not, whether by happenstance or nature, it is not compatible. Any attempt at making it compatible will be folly.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
MAKE IT STOP!!!!!
I hate this law. Specifically written to keep folks guessin'.
PS: Purchased all of my Bambi whacking licenses today. Now it's up to the deer to show up this season. Got skunked last year.
I hate this law. Specifically written to keep folks guessin'.
PS: Purchased all of my Bambi whacking licenses today. Now it's up to the deer to show up this season. Got skunked last year.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
Eating hot dogs all summer sucks!
It does. No steaks on the grill. No roasts in the crockpot. No jerky in the dehydrator.
Time to fill the freezer. Tis bare.
Steve_Zissou
Ultimate Member
Do they still have the HBAR-stamped 16 SDM fluted barrels? I need one for a friend...
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