C&R Blacklist.

Jumpmaster! · May 1, 2017

I once had a gunbroker seller tell me that my FFL03 was "not a Federal Firearms License". I directed him to look at the top of the license where that exact phrase appears. Some people are ignorant and content to remain that way.

MilsurpDan · May 1, 2017

I'm gonna call the store back in a little bit after they open at 9:00 and see what their "C&R guy" has to say about it. At this point I don't even want the rifle anymore. I'll find another one from a different dealer.

tallen702 · May 1, 2017

WESTMD said:
Another one for the list. He refuses C&R and saysv he has no way to check with ATF if a C&R is valid.

Back Country Sports, Saint Albans, VT 05478

Wonder if they took over Century's old space up there.

WESTMD · May 1, 2017

C&R Blacklist.

I was wondering the same thing. If so they are definitely not C&R friendly like Century.

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MilsurpDan · May 1, 2017

Welp, situation seems to be resolved. I just got off the phone with the manager. He seemed nice enough but said that's their store policy since their afraid of the ATF coming after them if they sell a non-C&R gun as C&R.

He said the whole misunderstanding wasn't my fault, so they didn't want to charge the 10% restocking fee. I told them that I wouldn't leave bad feedback if they don't, so I just let bygones be bygones.

Stupid situation to say the least, but at least I have an extra $285 to spend on something else.

WESTMD · May 2, 2017

Bummer! I also notice more and more FFL01 even if they do sell to C&R are requesting state driver license to be sent with FFL03.

JHE1956 · May 2, 2017

WESTMD said:
Bummer! I also notice more and more FFL01 even if they do sell to C&R are requesting state driver license to be sent with FFL03.

I always send mine even if not requested. It is evidence to the seller that the person buying the gun is the person whose name is on the license.

tallen702 · May 2, 2017

JHE1956 said:
I always send mine even if not requested. It is evidence to the seller that the person buying the gun is the person whose name is on the license.

Yep. AIM or JG and I think SOG require a copy of your license with your 03FFL and have for some time. Need to make sure that the names and addresses match.

Doctor_M · May 3, 2017

I ask the question up front if an ad doesn't explicitly say "C&R OK"... if I get anything other than a "Yes, that's fine", I move on. Have never not gotten a gun I wanted somewhere else. For every one seller is is too frightened or ignorant to do business with a FFL-03, there are 50 more who will.

empty5853 · May 10, 2017

I think this is a great idea. To have a list.

And your right. For every one that won't sell to a C&R, there's 50 that will. Unfortunately, I still think it's more the other way too. By that I mean that for every one that will sell to a C&R there's still 100 that won't. They don't understand the new laws and don't feel it's worth their time to learn them. (maybe since they don't get enough sales in MD) Particularly since our liberal ex-governor made his swan song by making changes in our already tight gun laws. It's just put us in the same status as New York, Massachusetts and a host of others. and I live 8 miles from the Virginia state line :banghead:

Oh well. Stop bitchin or move right.

Mark T.

oldsarge · May 11, 2017

tallen702 said:
Yep. AIM or JG and I think SOG require a copy of your license with your 03FFL and have for some time. Need to make sure that the names and addresses match.

In the last 6 months I've ordered from all 3 and they only have my FFL and never have had my drivers license.

somd_mustangs · May 27, 2017

Here's one I just don't understand....

Crazy Louie's out of Salisbury, MD:

"Due to Gun Legislation in the state of Maryland we do not offer any regulated firearms for sale/shipment to anyone in the state of Maryland - We apologize to our Maryland customers and encourage them to voice their concerns over this legislation to the office of the Governor"

Too bad because he has a rare WW2 P.38 (listed as C&R)

WildBill · May 27, 2017

somd_mustangs said:
Here's one I just don't understand....

Crazy Louie's out of Salisbury, MD:

"Due to Gun Legislation in the state of Maryland we do not offer any regulated firearms for sale/shipment to anyone in the state of Maryland - We apologize to our Maryland customers and encourage them to voice their concerns over this legislation to the office of the Governor"

Too bad because he has a rare WW2 P.38 (listed as C&R)

C&R is a federal license that only applies to interstate commerce. Any handgun transfer within the state of Maryland is subject to Maryland law including the 77r and 7 day wait.

Oldcarjunkie · May 27, 2017

somd_mustangs said:
Here's one I just don't understand....

Crazy Louie's out of Salisbury, MD:

"Due to Gun Legislation in the state of Maryland we do not offer any regulated firearms for sale/shipment to anyone in the state of Maryland - We apologize to our Maryland customers and encourage them to voice their concerns over this legislation to the office of the Governor"

Too bad because he has a rare WW2 P.38 (listed as C&R)

He cant sell a C&R handgun in state lines to a C&R holder. is that what he is saying but not very well? he can transfer it to another shop near you and you can get it

mawkie · May 27, 2017

WildBill said:
C&R is a federal license that only applies to interstate commerce. Any handgun transfer within the state of Maryland is subject to Maryland law including the 77r and 7 day wait.

The rub here is that this shop isn't selling any handgun to a MD resident, modern or C&R. Yes, you could have them transfer it to another MD 01 but now you're talking two transfer fees and a shipping charge to add to the sale price and tax. If it's something you want bad enough, I had to do something similar with my Whitney Wolverine, then you just bite your tongue and open your wallet.

WildBill · May 27, 2017

That doesn't make any sense, why do they even stock handguns? They can't sell them to anyone not residing in Maryland...

somd_mustangs · May 27, 2017

Yes I know he can't ship/sell direct to an -03 in MD.
This pistol is rare enough that it would be worth having it shipped to a local FFL.
but probably academic as it will more than likely go ballistic at the end.
(although still way undervalue right now).

The real point is I just don't understand the mind-set of a MD FFL not selling a handgun to a MD resident because of the "gun legislation".
Bad enough when out of state FFL's won't ship to MD.

GuitarmanNick · Jun 30, 2017

I called Sarco this morning and am waiting to hear back from the store manager. He is checking with the owner to see if they can sell me a Star BS if I drive to their showroom to pick it up. I would actually prefer to see what I am buying anyway. The manager was very courteous and professional. I am hopeful, but not optimistic and will post the results when I hear back from him.

Docster · Jun 30, 2017

GuitarmanNick said:
I called Sarco this morning and am waiting to hear back from the store manager. He is checking with the owner to see if they can sell me a Star BS if I drive to their showroom to pick it up. I would actually prefer to see what I am buying anyway. The manager was very courteous and professional. I am hopeful, but not optimistic and will post the results when I hear back from him.

About 4 years ago I contacted Sarco for the same reason with the same notion of driving up to their shop. The manager was a real dickhead claiming "states right's" as the reason they refused to sell a C&R gun to a Maryland FFL03 holder at their PA. store.

Haven't done any business with them since.

somd_mustangs · Jun 30, 2017

Well, it's academic in this case as a Star BS is not C&R (yet), the "S" indicates magazine safety which was introduced in 1968.
But it will be interesting to see if Sarco has changed their policy.

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