Shipping a C&R firearm to me

empty5853 · Feb 16, 2019

Hello,
I apologize up front if this has already been asked (and answered) a dozen times on here but here it goes again.

Can a (out of state) non-C & R person ship a C & R legal firearm to a C & R license holder here in MD

Sorry if it’s confusing.

Thanks

Vr
Mark T.

Oldcarjunkie · Feb 16, 2019

empty5853 said:
Hello,
I apologize up front if this has already been asked (and answered) a dozen times on here but here it goes again.

Can a (out of state) non-C & R person ship a C & R legal firearm to a C & R license holder here in MD

Sorry if it’s confusing.

Thanks

Vr
Mark T.

Yes if you have a C&R to accept the gun and its eligible, then its fine. However** Lots of folks and especially dealers refuse to accept a C&R

somd_mustangs · Feb 16, 2019

If the seller is an "unlicensed individual" (e.g. not an FFL), get a copy of their drivers license.

empty5853 · Feb 16, 2019

somd_mustangs said:
If the seller is an "unlicensed individual" (e.g. not an FFL), get a copy of their drivers license.

Thanks

Oldcarjunkie said:
Yes if you have a C&R to accept the gun and its eligible, then its fine. However** Lots of folks and especially dealers refuse to accept a C&R

Yes, unfortunately I’ve come up against
that mentality before. It’s like the 01 FFL Dealers resent us (03 holders). I guess because they feel we are cheating them out of their transfer fee gouge they hit us with.

Thanks for your replies

Vr
Mark T.

somd_mustangs · Feb 16, 2019

It's more that the FFL-03 can't be verified like a dealer/manufacturer using the ATF website (it takes a little more effort but can be done).
For MD FFL-03's, add to that the mystery and wonder of Maryland's gun laws.

Alas, and I hate to say it, but some FFL-03's don't necessarily know all the ins and outs and can be a hassle to deal with...
and can be really demanding whiny beeches - especially when it comes to shipping costs etc - and they ruin it for the rest of us.
Dealers just don't want to... well... deal with that.
There are also dealers that don't know what an FFL-03 actually is, or what constitutes a C&R eligible firearm, and couldn't be bothered to learn.
Just steer away from those guys (there's a thread around here somewhere with some of those listed).

Oldcarjunkie · Feb 16, 2019

empty5853 said:
Thanks

Yes, unfortunately I’ve come up against
that mentality before. It’s like the 01 FFL Dealers resent us (03 holders). I guess because they feel we are cheating them out of their transfer fee gouge they hit us with.

Thanks for your replies

Vr
Mark T.

Exactly.

empty5853 · Feb 16, 2019

somd_mustangs said:
It's more that the FFL-03 can't be verified like a dealer/manufacturer using the ATF website (it takes a little more effort but can be done).
For MD FFL-03's, add to that the mystery and wonder of Maryland's gun laws.

Alas, and I hate to say it, but some FFL-03's don't necessarily know all the ins and outs and can be a hassle to deal with...
and can be really demanding whiny beeches - especially when it comes to shipping costs etc - and they ruin it for the rest of us.
Dealers just don't want to... well... deal with that.
There are also dealers that don't know what an FFL-03 actually is, or what constitutes a C&R eligible firearm, and couldn't be bothered to learn.
Just steer away from those guys (there's a thread around here somewhere with some of those listed).

Yes I realize there’s more to it then what I whined about. Sorry for that.
Your reasons are more logical then mine were particularly Maryland’s tyrannical gun laws. It seems as soon as they hear your from Maryland they shut the door and don’t want to do business with you.
But hey, there’s plenty out there that will do business with me. Enough to keep my pockets empty ; )

Thanks again

Vr
Mark T.

somd_mustangs · Feb 16, 2019

I didn't take your post as whining

"But hey, there’s plenty out there that will do business with me. Enough to keep my pockets empty"
This is so true !

Docster · Feb 16, 2019

somd_mustangs said:
It's more that the FFL-03 can't be verified like a dealer/manufacturer using the ATF website (it takes a little more effort but can be done).
For MD FFL-03's, add to that the mystery and wonder of Maryland's gun laws.

Alas, and I hate to say it, but some FFL-03's don't necessarily know all the ins and outs and can be a hassle to deal with...
and can be really demanding whiny beeches - especially when it comes to shipping costs etc - and they ruin it for the rest of us.
Dealers just don't want to... well... deal with that.
There are also dealers that don't know what an FFL-03 actually is, or what constitutes a C&R eligible firearm, and couldn't be bothered to learn.
Just steer away from those guys (there's a thread around here somewhere with some of those listed).

Yep, just look at how many basic C& R questions constantly and frequently come up by folks who, as licensees, should know or have the regs readily available to them.

nmyers · Feb 17, 2019

For the first month that FFL EZ-Check was available, you COULD validate a C&R license number. But, some folks thought that this compromised their privacy, so DOJ limited the search to 01's only. Obviously, the fellas with the bulges in the cheap suits didn't see where 03 licensees were a threat.

But, I would expect the shipper of a C&R to request both a photocopy of my C&R AND my drivers license. In practice, when I copy my C&R, I just stick my drivers license on the bottom so both are on the same page. About half the time, shippers who refuse to send to a C&R change their mind when I offer my DL.

The biggest reason to NOT get a C&R shipped to you is when it is a HANDGUN; they may only be shipped by UPS or Fedex.

ShafTed · Feb 18, 2019

nmyers said:
The biggest reason to NOT get a C&R shipped to you is when it is a HANDGUN; they may only be shipped by UPS or Fedex.

Not quite true. An FFL01 can ship handguns USPS, I have received them by Priority Mail. To the OP, it might be well worth the savings in shipping cost for the unlicnesed individual to find a cooperative FFL01 to do the shipping, even though it would be legal for them to ship it directly.

lazarus · Feb 19, 2019

ShafTed said:
Not quite true. An FFL01 can ship handguns USPS, I have received them by Priority Mail. To the OP, it might be well worth the savings in shipping cost for the unlicnesed individual to find a cooperative FFL01 to do the shipping, even though it would be legal for them to ship it directly.

Correct on all accounts. Many FFLs will only ship UPS or FedEx to C&R holders. But they can legally (and some do) ship USPS to C&R holders. My limited experience is they almost always ship USPS to each other.

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