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Old December 1st, 2017, 07:37 AM #1
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Instead of posting a link, how about posting the information contained in the link.

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There’s No Excuse for Paper to Host Demonstrable Falsehood on ‘Automatic Rifles’
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by David Codrea , November 30, 2017



Despite having a responsibility to get things right, journalists get basics on guns wrong so often they’ve become the well-deserved objects of ridicule. But do they do it because they really don’t know, or do they do it because demonizing guns helps advance an agenda? (Uncredited graphic retrieved from Reddit)
“I own guns, but I also have a conscience,” guest columnist Dave Waldrop asserts in The Asheville Citizen-Times. “Does the NRA?”

What kind of obnoxious question is that? Especially since right out of the starting gate Waldrop showed everyone his big “but,” being the have-it-both-ways type who claims he believes in owning guns but…
“The National Rifle Association (NRA) along with thousands of its members insist that the Second Amendment to our Constitution guarantees the right of Americans to own firearms,” Waldrop declares. “To many it appears the NRA is willing to ignore the harsh reality that too many people have been killed by people wielding assault rifles.

“These are automatic rifles that fire dozens of rounds before requiring reloading,” Waldrop asserts, just like he knows what he’s talking about. “How long will the NRA shirk its responsibility to support legislation that sets reasonable limits on (A) who can legally own firearms and (B) which firearms pose too great a risk of harming or killing Americans and, therefore, must be controlled or banned for the safety of all?”

“I have personally chosen not to join the NRA because of their rigid stance that perpetuates this needless killing,” Waldrop declares. “I will continue, like many of my friends, neighbors and relatives to own simple non-assault firearms for personal safety.”

There’s so much loopy with this guy’s “reasoning” it’s clear he has no clue as to the purpose behind the Second Amendment and what the citizen militia it deems “necessary to the security of a free State” would need in order to carry out that mandate. Either that or he knows full well and he’s being disingenuous instead of just ignorant. Regardless, one point he makes is such an obvious and blatant falsehood there is no excuse for The Citizen-Times editors to have allowed it to see its way into their pages.

Waldrop is conflating “automatic rifles” with semiautomatic firearms, and that’s been a move straight out of the gun-grabber playbook since the Violence Policy Center’s Josh Sugarmann explained the tactical deception back in 1988:
“The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.”

The reason the paper allowing this deception to continue is inexcusable is because many of us have been loudly objecting to it for decades every time some ambitious, oath-breaking politician or police chief tries to use it to advance citizen disarmament. A journalist influencing the public on a prominent issue lacking at least minimal subject matter knowledge is guilty of malpractice. An editor allowing it is guilty of worse. And it’s tough to write this off to mere editorial incompetence or ignorance from inside a “progressive” bubble, especially since many astute readers have been pointing out the lie for days now, and there’s still been no correction issued by the editors who authorized this guest column.

That’s especially egregious in light of the paper’s ethics policy, which claims to place paramount importance on truth, integrity, public interest and fair play. Then again, the Citizen-Times is “part of the USA TODAY NETWORK,” which itself is owned by Gannett. And when it comes to Gannett, guns and ethics, let’s just say past experience has shown*little evidence of them having much of a conscience.
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I opened this link to ask a question; do you really think that those who have taken the oath will live up to that oath once the SHTF? Personally I think it will be every man for himself, self preservation, unless you are in a tight knit group. My opinion of brotherhood is everybody watches out for one another until somebody gets nabbed then rats everybody else out. Just like any organization it's easy to talk the talk until you are facing some very serious time. You can look at the video link below and form a few different opinions I guess but it makes me wonder how the leo's will react. We now have a few cases of red flag where they followed "orders." Do you think they are going to give up their livelyhood for your rights? I'm not thinking so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p_G...ZWy5deoXak0ru0
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Do you think they are going to give up their livelyhood for your rights? I'm not thinking so.
Probably only the ones who are eligible for immediate retirement, and have pretty much nothing to lose.
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I opened this link to ask a question; do you really think that those who have taken the oath will live up to that oath once the SHTF? Personally I think it will be every man for himself, self preservation, unless you are in a tight knit group. My opinion of brotherhood is everybody watches out for one another until somebody gets nabbed then rats everybody else out. Just like any organization it's easy to talk the talk until you are facing some very serious time. You can look at the video link below and form a few different opinions I guess but it makes me wonder how the leo's will react. We now have a few cases of red flag where they followed "orders." Do you think they are going to give up their livelyhood for your rights? I'm not thinking so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p_G...ZWy5deoXak0ru0

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I opened this link to ask a question; do you really think that those who have taken the oath will live up to that oath once the SHTF? Personally I think it will be every man for himself, self preservation, unless you are in a tight knit group. My opinion of brotherhood is everybody watches out for one another until somebody gets nabbed then rats everybody else out. Just like any organization it's easy to talk the talk until you are facing some very serious time. You can look at the video link below and form a few different opinions I guess but it makes me wonder how the leo's will react. We now have a few cases of red flag where they followed "orders." Do you think they are going to give up their livelyhood for your rights? I'm not thinking so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p_G...ZWy5deoXak0ru0
I have the same feeling about gun owners who "will not comply" , "would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" and talk all the other bravado. What will they actually do when facing bankruptcy from legal fees, legal actions adversely affecting their families & jobs, actually going to jail? They've taken no oath but Oathkeepers have and that oath has strong implications to them. They've joined willingly and have already formed up for action several times in several areas of the country. Standing up for one's oath isn't always easy, such as defending one's constitutional right to burn he US flag

Oathkeepers grew out if the abuses of Hurricane Katrina and in another similar disaster would have more faith in them than gun owners as a whole.

Oathkeepers don't have to wait for a SHTF circumstance to take action. They live it everyday
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There are few who would put personal beliefs above paycheck, pension and prison.

I believe they do exist; my hope is that they exist in sufficient numbers to make a difference.

The determining factor always comes down to community support. If a significant part of the community believes in a position, it will resist a larger authority; rural Virginia comes to mind. Maryland has gone full-bore into the repressive gun control agenda developed in the Weimar Republic, and rendered monstrous by the National Socialist party under Hitler. The bulk of the people in this state will not resist; whether the rural outposts will retain their pro-liberty stance remains to be tested.

If the community is behind them, local police will support that community. But every organisation, like every chain, has weak links. Martyrs to causes face a tough road to travel, and are only honored long after they're gone, unless they are able to ignite a flame of support.
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I honestly think “oathkeepers” aka gatekeepers are simply controlled opposition. Looking that they didn’t stand at the bundy ranch or the Oregon wildlife occupation while simultaneously openly claiming that they’ll revolt against the govt. The Feds also have a very long history of infiltrating far right movements, and there’s a very good article about it from an ex informant. https://theintercept.com/2019/10/20/...tic-terrorism/
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I opened this link to ask a question; do you really think that those who have taken the oath will live up to that oath once the SHTF? Personally I think it will be every man for himself, self preservation, unless you are in a tight knit group. My opinion of brotherhood is everybody watches out for one another until somebody gets nabbed then rats everybody else out. Just like any organization it's easy to talk the talk until you are facing some very serious time. You can look at the video link below and form a few different opinions I guess but it makes me wonder how the leo's will react. We now have a few cases of red flag where they followed "orders." Do you think they are going to give up their livelyhood for your rights? I'm not thinking so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p_G...ZWy5deoXak0ru0
I’ve known many decent people who are cops, but it amazes me how people think that they’ll somehow defend the constitution. When there’s been countless instances of them enforcing unconstitutional laws. Including cracking down on people protesting outside of abortion mills in North Carolina.
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