Some basic stats

Some stats for you. WE don't have a gun problem. We have a Baltimore problem.


2017 Homicides By Firearm Population
MD 569 441(77%) 6,052,177
Balt 343 301(88%) 609,841
Diff 226 140 5,442,336


Crime Rate per 100,000 population

Homicides
MD 9.4 = (569/6052177)*100000
Balt 56.2 = (343/ 609841)*100000
MD minus Balt 4.15 = (226/5442336)*100000

With Firearms
MD 7.3 = (441/6052177)*100000
Balt 49.4 = (301/ 609841)*100000
MD minus Balt 2.6 = (140/5442336)*100000
With long guns all .19 = ( 12/6052177)*100000

[Stolen from a guy on reddit]

There are about 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, this number is not disputed. (1)

U.S. population 328 million as of January 2018. (2)

Do the math: 0.00915% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

Statistically speaking, this is insignificant. It's not even a rounding error.

What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths:

• 22,938 (76%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws (3)

• 987 (3%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion. (4)

• 489 (2%) are accidental (5)

So no, "gun violence" isn't 30,000 annually, but rather 5,577... 0.0017% of the population.

Still too many? Let's look at location:

298 (5%) - St Louis, MO (6)

327 (6%) - Detroit, MI (6)

328 (6%) - Baltimore, MD (6)

764 (14%) - Chicago, IL (6)

That's over 30% of all gun crime. In just 4 cities.

This leaves 3,856 for for everywhere else in America... about 77 deaths per state. Obviously some States have higher rates than others

Yes, 5,577 is absolutely horrific, but let's think for a minute...

But what about other deaths each year?

70,000+ die from a drug overdose (7)

49,000 people die per year from the flu (8)

37,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities (9)

Now it gets interesting:

250,000+ people die each year from preventable medical errors. (10)

You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

610,000 people die per year from heart disease (11)

Even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save about twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).

A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.

Simple, easily preventable, 10% reductions!

We don't have a gun problem... We have a political agenda and media sensationalism problem.

Here are some statistics about defensive gun use in the U.S. as well.

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#14

Page 15:

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).

That's a minimum 500,000 incidents/assaults deterred, if you were to play devil's advocate and say that only 10% of that low end number is accurate, then that is still more than the number of deaths, even including the suicides.

Older study, 1995:

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc

Page 164

The most technically sound estimates presented in Table 2 are those based on the shorter one-year recall period that rely on Rs' first-hand accounts of their own experiences (person-based estimates). These estimates appear in the first two columns. They indicate that each year in the U.S. there are about 2.2 to 2.5 million DGUs of all types by civilians against humans, with about 1.5 to 1.9 million of the incidents involving use of handguns.

r/dgu is a great sub to pay attention to, when you want to know whether or not someone is defensively using a gun

——sources——

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhamcs/web_tables/2015_ed_web_tables.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/?tid=a_inl_manual

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-accidental-gun-deaths-20180101-story.html

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2018/11/13/cities-with-the-most-gun-violence/ (stats halved as reported statistics cover 2 years, single year statistics not found)

https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812603

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

Slowhand said:

[Stolen from a guy on reddit]

There are about 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, this number is not disputed. (1)

U.S. population 328 million as of January 2018. (2)

Do the math: 0.00915% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.
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I haven't seen that post before but that's absolutely crazy that it's really that few people. The difference is people get super scared of scary black rifles and think some terminator type psycho is going to mow them down in a shopping mall on weekends but never think heart disease is going to get them.

Let's not forget the 638,000+ babies (2017 number) that are aborted every year either.

adit said:

Let's not forget the 638,000+ babies (2017 number) that are aborted every year either.

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But that's women's health care you sexist!!!

Slowhand said:

Some stats for you. WE don't have a gun problem. We have a Baltimore problem.


2017 Homicides By Firearm Population
MD 569 441(77%) 6,052,177
Balt 343 301(88%) 609,841
Diff 226 140 5,442,336

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That's honestly still kind of nuts that this state, even without Baltimore, still registers 226 homicides per year. Massachusetts, a state with the same population and similar population density, with nearly the same per-capita GDP, turns in about half that, and that's WITH Boston, a metro area the size of Philadelphia, included.

That tells me that the problem ISN'T just Baltimore, but is likely something else...

Now, let's see the number of legally possesed firearms used in Maryland to commit crimes.

Steve_Zissou said:

That tells me that the problem ISN'T just Baltimore, but is likely something else...

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PG and Montgomery counties contribute. Garrett or Wicomico not so much.

Pale Ryder said:

PG and Montgomery counties contribute. Garrett or Wicomico not so much.

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Steve_Zissou said:

That's honestly still kind of nuts that this state, even without Baltimore, still registers 226 homicides per year. Massachusetts, a state with the same population and similar population density, with nearly the same per-capita GDP, turns in about half that, and that's WITH Boston, a metro area the size of Philadelphia, included.

That tells me that the problem ISN'T just Baltimore, but is likely something else...

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Not really for me. A lot of the "element" that is the problem in Baltimore has also migrated outside the City limits into the surrounding counties. Homicides that happen in the crappy parts of the counties don't count toward "Baltimore's" murder count, but are the results from the same related peoples.

adit said:

Not really for me. A lot of the "element" that is the problem in Baltimore has also migrated outside the City limits into the surrounding counties.

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Because, of course, there are no criminals amongst the God fearing county folks, unless they moved there from the city. I find it amusing that we get so frustrated at the pompous and elite attitudes in Annapolis, yet here we are acting the same way.

Me? No, my sh*t don’t stink. That smell is coming from the City...



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adit said:

Not really for me. A lot of the "element" that is the problem in Baltimore has also migrated outside the City limits into the surrounding counties. Homicides that happen in the crappy parts of the counties don't count toward "Baltimore's" murder count, but are the results from the same related peoples.

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Yeah, that's the key difference. Massachusetts has a whole lot less of "that element" than this state does.

It's also why Maryland, the wealthiest state per capita in the country, has a homicide rate many times that of next door West Virginia, one of the poorest states in the nation by any measure. In the end, it's not a matter of urban/rural, or a matter of economics that determines crime rates, it's a matter of demographics, pure and simple.

roadking said:

Because, of course, there are no criminals amongst the God fearing county folks, unless they moved there from the city. I find it amusing that we get so frustrated at the pompous and elite attitudes in Annapolis, yet here we are acting the same way.

Me? No, my sh*t don’t stink. That smell is coming from the City...



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Where do you think the population of the city has moved to?

The population in DC and it's gentrification has had the same effect in the surrounding counties.