SBR Process

nebula8080 · Jan 20, 2008

OK nice forum area. I have a trust..which I will be using for a SBS. I'm more interested however in how the SBR process works... Specifically, do I register just the receiver or --? Also once I have the accepted tax stamp do I use that to buy the upper or --?

The only reason I'm going through the SBS process is to make a collectible firearm into true mil specs (M4/M1014) and be in compliance of the law. Since I've gone through the process of a trust, I'd at least like to know how to do the SBR route.

Thanks

JeepDriver · Jan 20, 2008

nebula8080 said:
OK nice forum area. I have a trust..which I will be using for a SBS. I'm more interested however in how the SBR process works... Specifically, do I register just the receiver or --? Also once I have the accepted tax stamp do I use that to buy the upper or --?

The only reason I'm going through the SBS process is to make a collectible firearm into true military state (M4/M1014) and be in compliance of the law. Since I've gone through the process of a trust, I'd at least like to know how to do the SBR route.

Thanks

KRB

The SBR process is pretty easy. Go to www.titleii.com and fill out the PDF file Form 1, make sure you print out pages 1&2 on one sheet of paper, ATF will return it other wise.

The receiver need to be engraved 1/16 high and .003" deep with your name city and state.

You do not need the stamp to buy the upper, but you don't want to have the upper in the same location as the receiver before you have the stamp. ATF can call that constructive intent. Not good!

coinboy · Jan 20, 2008

Hey Jeep,

I know the receiver has to be engraved but what about the actual barrel?

JeepDriver · Jan 20, 2008

coinboy said:
Hey Jeep,

I know the receiver has to be engraved but what about the actual barrel?

No marking required on the barrel.

The reciever is the registered part with the serial number on the Form 1. The barrel is only a part of the gun.

The form 1 ask for the barrel length, but does not require anything else.

coinboy · Jan 20, 2008

JeepDriver said:
No marking required on the barrel.

The reciever is the registered part with the serial number on the Form 1. The barrel is only a part of the gun.

The form 1 ask for the barrel length, but does not require anything else.

Okay so answer me this then.

Say I have two AR-15's and a spare upper. One AR-15 (AR-15{1}) has a tax stamp and is marked as an SBR with a 14" barrel. Can I put an upper (spare upper) that is 16" on the SBR lower (AR-15{1})? If so, while the actual SBR upper (AR-15{1}) is not on the lower (AR-15{1}) can't that be considered as possible manufacture of a SBR rifle since my other lower (AR-15{2}) is not a registered SBR lower? Can't it still be considered manufacturing an unregistered SBR, even if I don't put the 14" barrel on the lower (AR-15{2})?

I hope that's not TOO complicated.

JeepDriver · Jan 21, 2008

coinboy said:
Okay so answer me this then.

Say I have two AR-15's and a spare upper. One AR-15 (AR-15{1}) has a tax stamp and is marked as an SBR with a 14" barrel. Can I put an upper (spare upper) that is 16" on the SBR lower (AR-15{1})? If so, while the actual SBR upper (AR-15{1}) is not on the lower (AR-15{1}) can't that be considered as possible manufacture of a SBR rifle since my other lower (AR-15{2}) is not a registered SBR lower? Can't it still be considered manufacturing an unregistered SBR, even if I don't put the 14" barrel on the lower (AR-15{2})?

I hope that's not TOO complicated.

Yes.

You can use the non-nfa length uppers on NFA lowers.

Having a NFA upper laying around want non-NFA lowers is a grey area.

ATF can call that constructive intent. But if you have 1 SBR lower and only 1 NFA length upper you should be OK(even if it's off the gun and you have other lowers. You still have enought parts to build only 1 NFA gun). It gets grey when you have 2 short uppers and 1 SBR lower, and other non-SBR lowers. It would be better if all the guns were built, and you didn't have any lowers laying around w/o uppers on them.

I'm slowly registering all mine, just to avoid any issues. And to keep them transferable in the event of a Califirnia style ban on either the state or federal level.

trapture · Jan 21, 2008

You don't have to put your name on the gun, but it's recommended. I have done a SBR for a WWII Machine gun I converted / rebuilt into Semi Auto and I used the original Serial Number. Never had a problem with that. What they do say as a sugestion is to put your initials infront of the original serial number aka Serial 123456 would be lets say our name is Harry No Name it would be HNN-123456.

Corsica Coatings · Jan 21, 2008

Jeepdriver,

My understanding is that if you put "multiple" on the Form 4 under barrel length and "various" (or list 5.56, 7.62x39, 300 Whisper, 9mm, 45 ACP, etc.) under caiber then you are in pretty good shape with ATF. I've also heard of the NFA Branch disapproving the form 4 if you do this, so I think it depends pretty much what the individual inspector says and that tactic may not be the final answer. Have you had experiences with this?

Joe

JeepDriver · Jan 21, 2008

Corsica Coatings said:
Jeepdriver,

My understanding is that if you put "multiple" on the Form 4 under barrel length and "various" (or list 5.56, 7.62x39, 300 Whisper, 9mm, 45 ACP, etc.) under caiber then you are in pretty good shape with ATF. I've also heard of the NFA Branch disapproving the form 4 if you do this, so I think it depends pretty much what the individual inspector says and that tactic may not be the final answer. Have you had experiences with this?

Joe

You can do multi on the caliber, not the barrel length.

ATF now wants the barrel length on the form1/4. The use to approve n/a in that box, and will if it is on the origional form for a form 4 transfer, but for new production stuff, they want barrel length.

You can send in a letter after you get the approval and state you want to use different length barrels and additional calibers, and then ATF will send back a letter stating that your NFA file has been ammended to reflect the different calibers and lengths.

JeepDriver · Jan 21, 2008

trapture said:
You don't have to put your name on the gun, but it's recommended. I have done a SBR for a WWII Machine gun I converted / rebuilt into Semi Auto and I used the original Serial Number. Never had a problem with that. What they do say as a sugestion is to put your initials infront of the original serial number aka Serial 123456 would be lets say our name is Harry No Name it would be HNN-123456.

ATF want's Name, City and State.

You are the manufacturer when you file a form 1. All origional markings must be on there, as well as your information.

ATf has clarified that recently. I'll have to dig up that ruleing.

Norton · Jan 21, 2008

The name, state and date thing is to show the date and place of manufacture, correct. So, if you move to another state, it's not as if you have to have it redone?

JeepDriver · Jan 21, 2008

Norton said:
The name, state and date thing is to show the date and place of manufacture, correct. So, if you move to another state, it's not as if you have to have it redone?

No date. Just Name City & State .

If you move to another state, the place of manufacturer does not change.

Norton · Jan 21, 2008

JeepDriver said:
No date. Just Name City & State .

If you move to another state, the place of manufacturer does not change.

Makes sense.

This sub-forum promises to get very expensive.

JeepDriver · Jan 21, 2008

Norton said:
Makes sense.

This sub-forum promises to get very expensive.

I'm here to help

coinboy · Jan 21, 2008

JeepDriver said:
Yes.

You can use the non-nfa length uppers on NFA lowers.

Having a NFA upper laying around want non-NFA lowers is a grey area.

ATF can call that constructive intent. But if you have 1 SBR lower and only 1 NFA length upper you should be OK(even if it's off the gun and you have other lowers. You still have enought parts to build only 1 NFA gun). It gets grey when you have 2 short uppers and 1 SBR lower, and other non-SBR lowers. It would be better if all the guns were built, and you didn't have any lowers laying around w/o uppers on them.

I'm slowly registering all mine, just to avoid any issues. And to keep them transferable in the event of a Califirnia style ban on either the state or federal level.

Thanks Jeep. That's about what I had thought.

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