Why police shouldn't use Glocks (LA Times article)
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Biggfoot44
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Glocks were first and highest profile, but the same principles apply to most striker fired pistols.
AD's happen. They have and will happen with everything that is, was, or will be used. Happened with revolvers, happened with flintlocks, will happen in the future with 40 watt plasma rifles.
Specific Glock factors : The black plastic container the pistol comes in from the factory is implied by Glock, and generally considered to be a suitable container in which to store said pistol. The plastic prong intended to go thru the trigger gaurd requires the trigger to be pulled first. By shear odds of numbers, there will be pistols with a round still in the chamber having the trigger pulled in order to put it away. Likewise needing to pull the trigger to disassemble ( not unique to Glock ) . These types of "administrative AD's" will be recorded in the stastics of large LE agencies.
The "on the street" AD's caused by startle, sympathetic hand tightening, wrong pressure points being impacted, etc are probably not signifigently differnt from striker fired semis generally. The same factors occur with the use of DA revolvers, and have also resulted in ADs with them. Could hairs be split and say that X% of instances resulted in having an unintended finger movement of .xy of an inch with 9lb of force , that would not have fired with a DA revolver which would have needed (.xy times 2) movement with 11lb of force ? You could probably cherry pick a couple, but generally a sympathetic movement, or one triggered by nerve impact would have the whole hand clench with considerable force.
You could say by strickly percentages, that ADs increased both with MPD locally, and nationwide generally after the transition from DA revolvers to Glocks ( and striker guns generally) , but the numbers still round to *very few* with either.
AD's happen. They have and will happen with everything that is, was, or will be used. Happened with revolvers, happened with flintlocks, will happen in the future with 40 watt plasma rifles.
Specific Glock factors : The black plastic container the pistol comes in from the factory is implied by Glock, and generally considered to be a suitable container in which to store said pistol. The plastic prong intended to go thru the trigger gaurd requires the trigger to be pulled first. By shear odds of numbers, there will be pistols with a round still in the chamber having the trigger pulled in order to put it away. Likewise needing to pull the trigger to disassemble ( not unique to Glock ) . These types of "administrative AD's" will be recorded in the stastics of large LE agencies.
The "on the street" AD's caused by startle, sympathetic hand tightening, wrong pressure points being impacted, etc are probably not signifigently differnt from striker fired semis generally. The same factors occur with the use of DA revolvers, and have also resulted in ADs with them. Could hairs be split and say that X% of instances resulted in having an unintended finger movement of .xy of an inch with 9lb of force , that would not have fired with a DA revolver which would have needed (.xy times 2) movement with 11lb of force ? You could probably cherry pick a couple, but generally a sympathetic movement, or one triggered by nerve impact would have the whole hand clench with considerable force.
You could say by strickly percentages, that ADs increased both with MPD locally, and nationwide generally after the transition from DA revolvers to Glocks ( and striker guns generally) , but the numbers still round to *very few* with either.
KevinK
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Not poking fun at your friend, but the bolded part sticks out to me.
^^ This
^ And this.
alucard0822
For great Justice
Glock's trigger is a thing of simple beauty(and most other modern polyframes). It will fire only when the trigger is pulled, and will fire every time the trigger is pulled. Outside of an exceedingly rare mechanical issue, the only way the pistol will fire inadvertently is by negligence.
WeaponsCollector
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Vile Shadow
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- Feb 28, 2013
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Glock makes a quality product that sells like hot cakes, therefore they need to be taught a lesson in political correctness.
That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say.
rob-cubed
In need of moderation
As I tell my daughter, a safety does not make the gun safe. You do.
Mechanical trigger blocks are no replacement for proper training/handling, and cause more problems than they solve.
Mechanical trigger blocks are no replacement for proper training/handling, and cause more problems than they solve.
Kman
Blah, blah, blah
Agreed.
The story would read he same by inserting S&W, Ruger, Beretta, etc. if they dominated LE market.
redeemed.man
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Maybe you guys should go back to revolvers, LOL
Oh wait no external safety just a trigger pull. Nope revolvers won't do either.
redeemed.man
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Glock doesn't use that box anymore for new pistols. I do have several of those boxes though.
redeemed.man
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Having to state the obvious (i.e., keep your finger away from the trigger (on the frame) until the target's been sighted and you're ready to shoot) simply highlights the fact that many in LE aren't properly trained in the safe use of [their] firearms. And this only adds to the frustration some have when having to face liberal idiots whose auto-retort to the right to carry is always "Just call 911 and let the police protect you." Oy veh.
Not sure how the startle and grasp reflex is only a danger to Glocks. Of course there are going to be statistically more ND's by police with Glocks because they hold far more of the police market share than anyone else.
In my opinion it's a stupid article and I would be ashamed to put my name on it. I especially like the part trying to blame Glock for an officer getting killed because his training partner didn't check the chamber for empty.
In my opinion it's a stupid article and I would be ashamed to put my name on it. I especially like the part trying to blame Glock for an officer getting killed because his training partner didn't check the chamber for empty.
Vile Shadow
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But nobody with an agenda is about to let that little detail get in the way of a "good" story.
WE know it's stupid, yes. But unfortunately anything capable of putting a chink in the armor of the ones who sell the most fow-tays is as good as gold.
OrbitalEllipses
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Tell the police, not us.
Vile Shadow
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He wasn't preaching to the choir. He was pointing out for posterity how easily such things can be avoided. We do show up on search engines, ya know.
Vile Shadow
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But isn't their argument based on the false assumption that LEO's don't immediately disengage the safety on any other gun after it's drawn?
That's kinda hard to do on a gun that don't even have a safety.
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