Junior Hunt day - can a minor legally hunt with my regulated in my presence

boss66tcode · Oct 13, 2013

Here's a SB 281 litmus test for you:

I have an under 18 son who wants to deer hunt on junior hunt day. If he is in my presence and is supervised by me as a legal permitted hunter, can he use my AR, since its recoil is negligible (with a mag loaded with 8 rounds or fewer, and honestly, I'm thinking 2). Its a 6.8 so we don't have to do the muzzle energy debate.

Where/how does MD DNR define "posession" of a regulated?

DanJo · Oct 14, 2013

I don't think there is anything against deer hunting with an AR in the western counties, but it's probably not the best caliber for deer. You can't use full metal jacketed rounds. The bigger issue is that youth hunt days are limited to hunters 16 and under. An 18 year old can't hunt as a youth.

SOMDSHOOT · Oct 14, 2013

The laws don't specify anything about what gun the Youth uses, however, I'd pick another gun. My Nephew has been hunting with his 20 Gauge slug gun for the past 4 years. He's 15 now, so, I'm not sure how negligible you need the recoil for an under 18 year old. You only have three counties in which you can use that gun in Maryland anyway.

boss66tcode · Oct 14, 2013

Its a legal gun where I hunt, I had suspected the recoil would be less due to the buffer
( and I of course have SP ammo) than the 20 gauge. Looks like we need another range day before then.

jr88 · Oct 14, 2013

Yes legally he can, and I personally think a 6.8 round (soft point of course) is a good round for eastern Whitetail. Good Luck!

Ifdot · Oct 14, 2013

The 6.8 is a fine round for deer hunting.

Clark W. Griswold · Oct 14, 2013

SOMDSHOOT said:
The laws don't specify anything about what gun the Youth uses, however, I'd pick another gun. My Nephew has been hunting with his 20 Gauge slug gun for the past 4 years. He's 15 now, so, I'm not sure how negligible you need the recoil for an under 18 year old. You only have three counties in which you can use that gun in Maryland anyway.

Of the 23 counties in MD, Rifles are prohibited for deer completely in 12 counties and in parts of 2 counties. That leaves 9 counties you can use a rifle in at your leisure and two more where you can in some places, but not in others. That's 11 counties where you can deer hunt with a rifle, not 3.

boss66tcode · Oct 14, 2013

The local hunting hole is a rifle legal area - thanks

Clark W. Griswold · Oct 14, 2013

Then go for it! I've seen nothing that would prevent him from using your rifle with you next to him.

All of these laws pertain to transfer anyway. Him using your firearm in your presence is not a transfer.

GTK64 · Oct 14, 2013

SOMDSHOOT said:
The laws don't specify anything about what gun the Youth uses, however, I'd pick another gun. My Nephew has been hunting with his 20 Gauge slug gun for the past 4 years. He's 15 now, so, I'm not sure how negligible you need the recoil for an under 18 year old. You only have three counties in which you can use that gun in Maryland anyway.

You need to read the hunting book again you can use rifle in 10 counties in Md.

fabsroman · Oct 14, 2013

Amazing how many people did not actually answer the question.

The issue with him hunting with your banned AR, is that of "receipt". Receipt is not defined in SB281 and there has been a lot of debate about it in the Maryland 2A forum. Transfer has been defined in Chow v. State of Maryland (2006), but I do not think they dealt with receipt in that case. A copy of the case is attached for your bedside reading pleasure. Your best bet for opinions is to post this question in the Maryland 2A forum. Thing is, you will probably get opinions that are 50/50.

My advice would be why risk it unless it is the only firearm you have to hunt with and you cannot borrow one from somebody else.

J Beard · Oct 14, 2013

Should be no different than him firing it on a range in your presence.
You are not transferring it to him, he is only shooting it, lots of people on here let their kid shoot their AR.

fabsroman · Oct 14, 2013

J Beard said:
Should be no different than him firing it on a range in your presence.
You are not transferring it to him, he is only shooting it, lots of people on here let their kid shoot their AR.

SB281 just went into effect on October 1, 2013.

Edit to add: Lots of people do crack cocaine too.

Red Eye · Oct 14, 2013

According to your original question; NO, he can't hunt with it. Why....it's not about the gun, its because he's 18 and junior hunt days are for 16 or younger.

OK, just re-read your post........you state that you have an UNDER 18 year old; how much under? under 16?

SOMDSHOOT · Oct 15, 2013

Clark W. Griswold said:
Of the 23 counties in MD, Rifles are prohibited for deer completely in 12 counties and in parts of 2 counties. That leaves 9 counties you can use a rifle in at your leisure and two more where you can in some places, but not in others. That's 11 counties where you can deer hunt with a rifle, not 3.

When did this change ? I didn't realize Region A had expanded.

SOMDSHOOT · Oct 15, 2013

GTK64 said:
You need to read the hunting book again you can use rifle in 10 counties in Md.

I guess I might gotta to. I'm going to have to plead ignorance on this one. I never knew anything had changed from the traditional 3 counties of Region A.

SOMDSHOOT · Oct 15, 2013

I found this on the DNR website while looking for some other information. WOW times did change. Use to only be Garrett, Allegheny, and Frederick.

Breech-loading rifles are those that are not loaded from the muzzle and include, but are not limited to, break action, bolt action, pump action, lever action, falling block, and semi-automatic rifles. Breech-loading rifles may not be used to hunt deer in Anne Arundel, Baltimore, Calvert, Caroline, Charles, Frederick (in that portion of Frederick County lying south of a line beginning at the Washington/Frederick County line at US Rt. 40 and continuing on Rt. 40 east to Harmony Road, proceeding south on Harmony Road to I-70, following I-70 east through Frederick County), Harford, Howard, Kent, Montgomery, Prince George’s, Queen Anne’s, St. Mary’s and Talbot Counties or in Worcester County as follows: (1) within one mile of any school, (2) within that portion of South Point lying south of a line beginning at the west end of the Sinepuxent Bay Bridge on State Rt. 611, then by and with the south side of Rt. 611 to the junction of the South Point Road going south for a distance of 0.6 miles to a point opposite the southern boundary of the Ocean City Golf and Yacht Club property on the west side of the road, then by the southern boundary of the Ocean City Golf and Yacht Club to Trappe Creek and (3) within that portion of the land lying south of a line beginning at the mouth of the St. Martin River northwest to the junction with Shingle Landing Road, then by and with the south side of Shingle Landing Road to the junction with State Rt. 113, then by and with the east side of Rt. 113 to the junction with Rt. 589, then by and with the east side of Rt. 589 to the junction with US Rt. 50, then by and with the north side of Rt. 50 to the junction with Assawoman Bay, then by and with the west boundary of Assawoman Bay to the junction with the St. Martin River.

Franklin · Oct 15, 2013

DanJo said:
I don't think there is anything against deer hunting with an AR in the western counties, but it's probably not the best caliber for deer. You can't use full metal jacketed rounds. The bigger issue is that youth hunt days are limited to hunters 16 and under. An 18 year old can't hunt as a youth.

you been drinkin?

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