VA Gov race is tie

TargetGrade · Nov 8, 2017

Unfortunately the United States of America has lost it's identity long ago. The day Clinton took office was the beginning of the end, when they put the socialist anti American bastard in from Hawaii (?) that was the end. :sad20:

Those of you that cannot grasp or remember the feeling when Reagan took office you were born too late. Reagan made us PROUD to be Americans again. Sadly Trump is a convoluted flash in the pan UNLESS he's able to make some serious arrest and manages to stay out of Federal Pen himself.

Defense Rifle · Nov 8, 2017

Looks like GOP will keep control of VA House (51-49). People need to realize many of these Dem victories will be short-lived, the Dem base was hyped up and Republicans not as energized.

Case in point the Dem who won in Blacksburg, VA, doubt he will be sticking around long. Most of these Dem wins for House seats were by razor-thin margins, that too with a super energized Dem base this election.

Stop with the doompacalypse after every election lost. GOP has never been stronger in decades at local, state, and national level. The US Senate just confirmed 4 more conservative Federal judges and wait until another SCOTUS vacancy opens up.

Defense Rifle · Nov 8, 2017

fidelity said:
Yeah, I was telling others the same last night. That's the only surprise of the night and it reflects much greater voter intensity on the Democratic side. This will push the Republicans in Congress into even greater inaction (which most would think impossible).

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Outside money targeted those House districts. Bloomberg, Every Town, George Soros, etc...Republicans didn't play strong defense because typically they don't have to in many of those districts that they lost by small margins.

Fairfax County election workers conduct the official canvass of last night’s election returns at the Fairfax County Government Center, Wednesday, Nov. 8, 2017 in Fairfax, Va. The canvass found a 100 vote error that, when corrected, gave Republican incumbent Tim Hugo the lead in his House of Delegates race, a race that could determine control of the chamber.

I wonder how many other "errors" were made, in many of these House elections with thin margins...

fidelity · Nov 8, 2017

Defense Rifle said:
Outside money targeted those House districts. Bloomberg, Every Town, George Soros, etc...Republicans didn't play strong defense because typically they don't have to in many of those districts that they lost by small margins.

I wonder how many other "errors" were made, in many of these House elections with thin margins...

Thanks for the insight. Wasn't paying close attention from MD, but was surprised by some of the legislative gains. You're right; close wins can flip back.

If anything, it's a warning against complacency in 2018. House Republicans also need to come through for their constituency. Playing it safe is playing to lose.

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Jim12 · Nov 8, 2017

Just a few votes in a precinct adds up.

A few illegal votes.

A few felons whose voting rights McAuliffe restored.

A few here, a few there, and... Bingo!

JPG · Nov 8, 2017

Jim12 said:
Just a few votes in a precinct adds up.

A few illegal votes.

A few felons whose voting rights McAuliffe restored.

A few here, a few there, and... Bingo!

I see dead people. :cool:

DC-W · Nov 8, 2017

VCDL Update. WORTH A READ

Unfortunately this election has dealt VCDL a difficult hand to play, but play it, we shall.

EXECUTIVE BRANCH - NEW BOSS SAME AS THE OLD BOSS

Basically, as far as the Executive branch goes, the next four years are going to look like the last four years:

Governor: Bad news - vetoes of pro-gun bills, calls for gun control with every tragedy, keeping the prohibition on carry in state agencies (trespass charge if you don't leave when asked), and requiring the State Police to tell the police in states like Maryland if a person has a Virginia CHP. Good news - the Governor has minimal power to create real gun-control.

Lt. Governor: Bad news - in the case of 20-20 ties in the Senate, the tie will be broken against gun owners. Good news - the Lt. Governor has no power over gun rights other than rarely breaking tie votes in the Senate.

Attorney General: Bad news - more Amicus briefs and letters to Congress supporting gun-control. Good news - the Attorney General has little power to affect gun rights.

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY REMAINS OUR KEY FOCUS

A more important issue right now than who runs the Executive branch is which party will control the House of Delegates. As I write this on Wednesday afternoon, the Republicans hold a razor-thin 51-49 lead. There are at least 4 races that will have recounts and things could go either way, or even end in a 50-50 tie! I've been told that a tie would be broken by the Lt. Governor, so the Democrats would control the House.

We won't know the final outcome until early December.

The party which controls the House will have a strong hand on the fate of gun bills. For gun owners, we have to hope that Republicans control the House as a firewall to keep gun control bills off the desk of the Governor and pro-rights bills moving. Republicans have a razor-thin majority in the Senate (21 to 20), which also might provide another level of gun-control protection and forward movement on pro-rights bills.

WE'VE BEEN BLUE BEFORE

Think Virginia has turned blue for the first time? Hardly. When I first became involved in what was then the Northern Virginia Citizens Defense League, the Democrats controlled BOTH the House and the Senate, while Virginia had a Republican governor (George Allen). The Speaker of the House was Democrat Tom Moss who represented Norfolk. Pro-rights bills were killed with regularity in the House Militia & Police committee, while anti-gun bills sailed out. Even in that environment, NVCDL got "Shall Issue" passed into law. NVCDL, and later, VCDL, were able to stop most of the gun-control bills. That said, there were more pro-rights Democrats in the General Assembly in those days.

Sadly, when the Republicans had control of the House, the Senate, and the Governorship, they slow-walked pro-gun bills so as to not pass too many at a time and even quashed good bills deemed “controversial." The Democrats will have no such artificial limitation placed on their gun-control bills, nor will they care if the bills are controversial.

GUN CONTROL WILL BE COMING AT US HARD AND HEAVY

The gun-control dangers are now more pronounced. Things which we will be seeing pushed with renewed vigor include:

* One-Handgun-a-Month reinstatement
* An "assault weapon" ban
* A "high" capacity magazine ban
* Universal Background Checks
* Prohibition on carry in state agencies given teeth (right now it is merely a trespass charge if a person refuses to leave)
* Expand the list of misdemeanors that make someone a "prohibited person" in order to disarm more and more people
* Firearm Protective Order that will allow for the confiscation of firearms based merely on the word of another, without any due process or even notification prior to confiscation

Newly elected Democrat Delegate Chris Hurst (boyfriend of a murdered TV news reporter) is already saying that the wave of new Democrats in the House increases the opportunities for more gun-control. (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/8/chris-hurst-whose-fiancee-was-shot-on-camera-says/)

THE ROAD FORWARD - MAKING LEMONADE OUT OF LEMONS

FIRST, WE NEED A STRONG VCDL. If you're not a dues-paying member, it's time to get off the fence and help swell our ranks. Work the VCDL table at gun shows and other events. There are 450,000 CHP holders in Virginia, yet we have only 7,000 members. Our membership number should be well into six digits. With that kind of membership and a corresponding increase in VA-ALERT subscribers, our power will increase dramatically. VCDL is working on an aggressive legislative-agenda for 2018!

SECOND, WE NEED A STRONG LOBBY DAY (Monday, January 15, 2018 at 8:00 am at the temporary General Assembly Building in Richmond). That will remind legislators that gun owners expect their rights to be protected and restrictions on our gun rights lifted.

THIRD, REACH OUT TO NON-GUN OWNERS THAT YOU KNOW OR MEET, which is especially important in the blue parts of Virginia. Invite them to the range. Show them the fun of shooting and the empowerment of being able to defend themselves in an emergency. Having more gun owners in the bluer parts of the Commonwealth will increase gun-control's toxicity in the long run.

FOURTH, GUN RIGHTS HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY OVER THE LAST 22 YEARS - there are now 450,000 CHP holders, up from just a few thousand in 1995. Also, DC vs Heller and Chicago vs McDonald have clarified that the Second Amendment protects an INDIVIDUAL'S right to own guns and that protection restricts state laws, too. Hopefully we will have more pro-rights U.S. Supreme Court rulings in the future.

And, finally, there will be another election for the Virginia House (and Senate) in two years. We need to be prepared to be more active than ever!

If you're not a VCDL member already, why not?
www.vcdl.org

(Same goes for MSI

www.marylandshallissue.org)

Schipperke · Nov 8, 2017

Jim12 said:
Just a few votes in a precinct adds up.

A few illegal votes.

A few felons whose voting rights McAuliffe restored.

A few here, a few there, and... Bingo!

It's the preponderance of non white unity that has killed conservatives chances. The "flash in the pan" conjecture earlier of Trump is spot on. There was no worse candidate the Dems could put up against him. Trump is phenomenon, the first of a 1000 year flood occurrence in our elections. The Dems have played the long game and will win handily by birth rate and immigration.

WE'VE BEEN BLUE BEFORE

... and for those not up in years, it was never the kind of Blue we have now..

EL1227 · Nov 8, 2017

To use the same metaphors ...

Schipperke said:
It's the preponderance of non white unity that has killed conservatives chances. The "flash in the pan" conjecture earlier of Trump is spot on. There was no worse candidate the Dems could put up against him. Trump is phenomenon, the first of a 1000 year flood occurrence in our elections. The Dems have played the long game and will win handily by birth rate and immigration.

... and for those not up in years, it was never the kind of Blue we have now..

Preponderance yes ... but when THAT 'phenomenon' ushers in the results like which are occurring in European states, kiss the country goodbye as it descends into chaos. There is a reason that the DemocRATs want to disarm as much of the population as possible, thinking that it will be the only way to prevent a civil war. They anticipated the 1000 year flood that they created, yet they open the flood gates rather than sandbag the dam.

Stand your ground and never give up your guns ... you will need them.

Jim12 · Nov 8, 2017

DC-W said:
VCDL Update. WORTH A READ

If you're not a VCDL member already, why not?
www.vcdl.org

(Same goes for MSI www.marylandshallissue.org)

"... Sadly, when the Republicans had control of the House, the Senate, and the Governorship, they slow-walked pro-gun bills so as to not pass too many at a time and even quashed good bills deemed “controversial." The Democrats will have no such artificial limitation placed on their gun-control bills, nor will they care if the bills are controversial. ..."

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Democrats thrive on controversy, take it head-on, and even manufacture it in order to further their agenda. It's a game, a theater, an opportunity to perform for the crowd.

Republicans avoid controversy, downplay it when it can't be avoided, and apply their skills to making Democrats' dumb ideas palatable and workable, instead of just calling them dumb.

Who will always have the upper political hand?

dreadpirate · Nov 8, 2017

Defense Rifle said:
Looks like GOP will keep control of VA House (51-49). People need to realize many of these Dem victories will be short-lived, the Dem base was hyped up and Republicans not as energized.

Case in point the Dem who won in Blacksburg, VA, doubt he will be sticking around long. Most of these Dem wins for House seats were by razor-thin margins, that too with a super energized Dem base this election.

Stop with the doompacalypse after every election lost. GOP has never been stronger in decades at local, state, and national level. The US Senate just confirmed 4 more conservative Federal judges and wait until another SCOTUS vacancy opens up.

I agree - buck up! You should be advocating for your principles not talking about where you are going to retire!

swinokur · Nov 9, 2017

I put the VCDL post in a separate thread.

I'll let it stay there.

swinokur · Nov 9, 2017

VCDL issued a later addendum clarify the method used to determine the House Speaker.

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In the last alert I wasn't clear on what would happen if the House is tied 50-50 between Republicans and Democrats. When the House votes to elect a Speaker, if the vote is tied, I'm told the Lt. Governor would break that particular tie and then the House would then end up with a Democrat as Speaker. That would be the only time the Lt. Governor would have any say in matters before the House.

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swinokur · Nov 9, 2017

https://www.washingtontimes.com/new...1UnpTMkR4RlYzdFZlSWx1bGgwOGVmMHIyMTFrK3NEIn0=

bmkoenig · Nov 9, 2017

TargetGrade said:
Unfortunately the United States of America has lost it's identity long ago. The day Clinton took office was the beginning of the end, when they put the socialist anti American bastard in from Hawaii (?) that was the end. T

It started way before Clinton. The progressive era starting in the 1890's was the start.

whistlersmother · Nov 10, 2017

bmkoenig said:
It started way before Clinton. The progressive era starting in the 1890's was the start.

Yep. I blame every (D) from Woodrow Wilson onward. Especially FDR.

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TargetGrade · Nov 10, 2017

bmkoenig said:
It started way before Clinton. The progressive era starting in the 1890's was the start.

At that time our best years were still ahead, I stand by my statement. Can we right the ship? I dunno, is the Alabama senate candidate being set up.... could well be. If so until the likes of the Clinton's are in jail laws mean nothing to the swamp dwellers.

Norton · Nov 10, 2017

I just saw Bob Goodlatte is not going to seek re-election. The lefties in the Valley are orgasmic at the thought of taking this seat.

swinokur · Nov 10, 2017

Virginia ist kaputt

Norton · Nov 10, 2017

swinokur said:
VA is kaput.

For the same reasons we are, that the urban population centers control the majority of the geography of the state.

Take out NoVA, Tidewater and Richmond and Virginia is solid.

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