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bmkoenig · Apr 20, 2015

Klunatic said:
Why not now? Something special about June?

Late May/Early June is when Hogan is planning a trip to Asia.

http://www.wbaltv.com/politics/maryland-governor-plans-trade-trip-to-china-japan-s-korea/32214920

44man · Apr 20, 2015

PJDiesel said:
After a full moon on the 5th Sunday of the next month ending with a "J" .

FIFY

Schipperke · Apr 20, 2015

ericahls said:
First off; taken directly from the MSP website:

"" What constitutes a good and substantial reason? Based on the guidance provided by the Maryland Public Safety Code, handgun permits may be issued to applicants based on the following circumstances:

5. Personal Protection. There must be documented evidence of recent threats, robberies, and/or assaults, supported by official police reports or notarized statements from witnesses.""

Self Defense(personal protection) is already a G&S reason. The issue at hand is that the requirements that one must meet on order to qualify for G&S of Self Defense(personal protection) is VERY onerous.

To date Hogan has not addressed this issue publicly or behind the scenes. EVERY law abiding Maryland citizen without disqualifying backgrounds would easily qualify for the G&S of Self Defense(personal protection) if those ridiculous requirements were removed. Those requirements are completely at the discretion of the MSP Superintendent.

I honestly am not sure what your point is about telling us that very wealthy democratic donors helped to back Hogan. Either he is 2A friendly or not.

Self Defense is already G&S, yes! It is the MSP deciding whether you are worthy of self defense.

SENATE BILL 100
(ii) has good and substantial reason to wear, carry, or transport a
handgun, such as SELF–DEFENSE OR a finding that the permit is necessary as a reasonable precaution against apprehended danger

No one see's all the weasel room there?

cap6888 · Apr 20, 2015

Just got this email from MSI today.....

http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=f9a3fb0d5de76b58560e66d8e&id=d42319feb1&e=61c2c98859

Here is the part that caught my eye.....

"Of all of the bills in the House, the only ones that moved and were approved were HB614 (Department of State Police - Handgun Roster Board - Definition of Handgun) which removed short barreled rifles and short barreled shotguns from the definition of a handgun, and HB170"

Shouldn't this mean no more OAL rules apply to SBRs? Or am I misreading this?

swinokur · Apr 20, 2015

MSP ruled that SBR's are both handguns and rifles. So until the Engage suit is resolved, MSP is still saying the copycat provisions also apply.

dblas · Apr 20, 2015

cap6888 said:
Just got this email from MSI today.....

http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=f9a3fb0d5de76b58560e66d8e&id=d42319feb1&e=61c2c98859

Here is the part that caught my eye.....

"Of all of the bills in the House, the only ones that moved and were approved were HB614 (Department of State Police - Handgun Roster Board - Definition of Handgun) which removed short barreled rifles and short barreled shotguns from the definition of a handgun, and HB170"

Shouldn't this mean no more OAL rules apply to SBRs? Or am I misreading this?

Nope OAL and copycat test still apply to SBRs, you just won't have to submit a specific model to the handgun review board to get it approved for sale, starting on Oct 1, 2015.

swinokur said:
MSP ruled that SBR's are both handguns and rifles. So until the Engage suit is resolved, MSP is still saying the copycat provisions also apply.

This will resolve part of that issue as MSP is going off of 5-402 (Handgun review board) statute at this time. Come Oct 1, 2015, MSP will not be using it.

The engage lawsuit with regards to OAL and copycat features should not be affected, but IANAL.

BeoBill · Apr 20, 2015

navycraig said:
Maybe a single letter, by the quad of MSI, AGC, MSRPA and the NRA on behalf of all of their XXX,XXX number of members asking for an official position.

YES!!!!
:thumbsup:

BeoBill · Apr 20, 2015

Mr H said:
Besides... From my impression, he doesn't get happy when pressured into decisions...

He's now a politician, not a businessman. Politics runs on pressure groups. Ask Al the Rat Sharptongue...

navycraig · Apr 21, 2015

dblas said:
MSI sent a congratulatory letter to the Superintendent after his swearing in, along with a request to meet with him. At the same time MSI sent a letter to the Governor asking for a meeting as well.

Once we know something, you will know something.

Was this communicated to the MSI membership in any way? Any chance you could post a copy of the letter on the MSI site so we can see it?

Mike · Apr 21, 2015

AntiGun said:
If Maryland will be changed, it will be in this term.
2nd republican governor in 50 years.
Let that sink in.
2nd republican governor in 50 years.
Hogan can be a hero or he can be an Erlich.
and I'm not just talking about permits.

Go big before he has to go home.

Actually he's the 3rd in 50 years. Who could forget Agnew? Remember the Agnew watches from when he was VP (before he resigned in disgrace) that ran backwards?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_Maryland

55 Spiro Agnew Agnew Republican January 25, 1967 January 7, 1969 [15]
56 Marvin Mandel Mandel Democratic January 7, 1969 January 17, 1979 [16]
Blair Lee III (acting) Lee III Democratic June 4, 1977 January 15, 1979 [17]
57 Harry R. Hughes Hughes Democratic January 17, 1979 January 20, 1987
58 William Donald Schaefer Schaefer Democratic January 20, 1987 January 18, 1995
59 Parris N. Glendening Glendening Democratic January 18, 1995 January 15, 2003
60 Robert L. Ehrlich, Jr. Ehrlich Republican January 15, 2003 January 17, 2007
61 Martin J. O'Malley O'Malley Democratic January 17, 2007 January 21, 2015 [18]
62 Lawrence J. Hogan, Jr. Hogan Republican January 21, 2015

rockstarr · Apr 21, 2015

ok, so the 2nd in 45 years...

AntiGun · Apr 21, 2015

Mike said:
Actually he's the 3rd in 50 years. Who could forget Agnew? Remember the Agnew watches from when he was VP (before he resigned in disgrace) that ran backwards?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_Maryland

55 Spiro Agnew Agnew Republican January 25, 1967 January 7, 1969 [15]
56 Marvin Mandel Mandel Democratic January 7, 1969 January 17, 1979 [16]
Blair Lee III (acting) Lee III Democratic June 4, 1977 January 15, 1979 [17]
57 Harry R. Hughes Hughes Democratic January 17, 1979 January 20, 1987
58 William Donald Schaefer Schaefer Democratic January 20, 1987 January 18, 1995
59 Parris N. Glendening Glendening Democratic January 18, 1995 January 15, 2003
60 Robert L. Ehrlich, Jr. Ehrlich Republican January 15, 2003 January 17, 2007
61 Martin J. O'Malley O'Malley Democratic January 17, 2007 January 21, 2015 [18]
62 Lawrence J. Hogan, Jr. Hogan Republican January 21, 2015

dblas · Apr 21, 2015

navycraig said:
Was this communicated to the MSI membership in any way? Any chance you could post a copy of the letter on the MSI site so we can see it?

No it was not, as is most internal MSI business. And no, it will not be shared, as with most MSI internal business. The letter will be treated as any communication between MSI and any other organization public or private.

Sorry to come across as short and secretive on this, but MSI has not and will not share any correspondence with other organizations or individuals.

PJDiesel · Apr 21, 2015

Squirrel.

44man · Apr 21, 2015

PJDiesel said:
Squirrel.

you beat me to it.

I am starting to believe there is a lot of secret squirrel stuff happening or a lot of bs being tossed our way. I guess I just live my life above board and I guess everything in politics is done below board and in secret for some reason.

Mr H · Apr 21, 2015

For crying out loud.........

MSI is a membership organization, yes.

But, it is also a corporate entity, with business to conduct.

See if any other similar organization will share their internal memos and processes with its membership. Yeah, doesn't happen often (if at all).

Or, heaven forbid, step up and become a part of the working side of the organization. Goodness knows they have work to go around, all over the state.

PJDiesel · Apr 21, 2015

Sounded to me like we were taking about something sent on behalf of membership, unless it's part of pending litigation I don't see why the need to hush it.

Gryphon · Apr 21, 2015

I'm okay with that. It wasn't an open letter to Hogan in the editorial section, and no sense in making it easy for the anti's to get all lathered up about "gun toting special interest" lobbying the Governor. I'll be happy with positive action absent unnecessary attention. There will be enough of that without sending an invitation via a posting here. That's why I still favor 100's of individual letters versus 3 or 4 letters from the mainstay organizations. The organizations don't get to vote . . . :innocent0

DC-W · Apr 21, 2015

What the what???

Does no one here have business experience? Do you announce to the world and your competitors every strategic move you're about to make?

Schipperke · Apr 21, 2015

Keep those checks and letters coming..

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