Transfer of C&R Handgun out of state

chromedragon70 · May 18, 2016

I have always bought my C&R guns from FFLs that sell them online or from other C&R holders or FFLs 01s. I have a situation that dropped on me this morning that I have to get ahead of - so I'm willing to get flamed and hear lots of RTFF. I have not made many purchases with my license and my last was about a year and a half ago.

My dad is getting on in years and starting to feel his mortality. He remarried his first wife (big mistake) after my mom died and is miserable and wants to make sure I get his older handguns now rather than waiting for me to inherit (he's convinced his wife will not give them to me when he passes).

He lives in Michigan and I live in Maryland. I am travelling there this weekend to visit and he wants me to take his guns. Can I "purchase" his >50yr old handguns directly from him and record them in my bound book as a legit C&R purchase even though he is not an FFL03 holder? Can I then drive them back to Maryland?

Thanks in advance and be gentle...

KH195 · May 18, 2016

Yep sure can, just record all info in your bound book just like you would with any other acquisition. I had a similar situation early last year, my grandmother (PA resident) gave me my great grandfather's Colt 1911...recorded all necessary info in my bound book and drove home with it.

mvee · May 18, 2016

Assuming you have a valid C&R license, you can acquire from private people in person in Michigan as long as the the state (Michigan) allows it. You are not limited to purchasing from FFLs. You can even have your father fed ex the guns to you. You don't need to exchange money either.

knastera · May 18, 2016

mvee said:
Assuming you have a valid C&R license, you can acquire from private people in person in Michigan as long as the the state (Michigan) allows it. You are not limited to purchasing from FFLs. You can even have your father fed ex the guns to you. You don't need to exchange money either.

Mvee makes a good point about Michigan law. Every state is different. FYI, you can also use USPS Priority Mail to ship the guns from Michigan to Maryland.

Melnic · May 18, 2016

Make sure you get all the needed info for the bound book. Sometimes people forget all that stuff when seller is not an FFL.

somd_mustangs · May 18, 2016

knastera said:
Mvee makes a good point about Michigan law. Every state is different. FYI, you can also use USPS Priority Mail to ship the guns from Michigan to Maryland.

eh, not so much for handguns (requires a dealer or manufacturer license).

knastera · May 18, 2016

I don't think that applies for C&R. I get my C&R guns via USPS from Classic Firearms. It might be worth it to call your local postmaster to get the scoop on mailing antiques.

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MikeTF · May 18, 2016

knastera said:
I don't think that applies for C&R. I get my C&R guns via USPS from Classic Firearms. It might be worth it to call your local postmaster to get the scoop on mailing antiques.

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Classic arms is an FFL 01. The USPS restriction applies to FFL 03. I recently sold two C&R pistols. It was not fun having to send them overnight via Fedex ($60 each).

knastera · May 18, 2016

OK. I guess that makes sense. I'd like to see the postal regulations, just out of curiosity. Do you have a reference for that?

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somd_mustangs · May 18, 2016

knastera said:
OK. I guess that makes sense. I'd like to see the postal regulations, just out of curiosity. Do you have a reference for that?

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Go to the USPS website and search for shipping handguns.
It's in several different sections of the regs.
Not being flippant, they changed the website and all my links are broken.

The form you have to fill out states you have to be a "bonified dealer or manufacturer"

knastera · May 18, 2016

Thanks. I appreciate the information.

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Easytarget18 · May 18, 2016

knastera said:
OK. I guess that makes sense. I'd like to see the postal regulations, just out of curiosity. Do you have a reference for that?

Here ya go:

http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm

knastera · May 18, 2016

Thanks. So from what I read it seems like a C&R to C&R mailing only applies to black powder and cartridge guns that use ammo that is not made in America and is not available within normal commercial channels. Good to know.

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mvee · May 18, 2016

knastera said:
Thanks. So from what I read it seems like a C&R to C&R mailing only applies to black powder and cartridge guns that use ammo that is not made in America and is not available within normal commercial channels. Good to know.

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For handguns. Rifles can be mailed.

knastera · May 18, 2016

Right. It emphasized concealability.

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chromedragon70 · May 19, 2016

Thanks everyone. I appreciate the information and the conversation. It is a big help.

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