Stun Gun Robbery Outside of Pharmacy in Edgeweed

adit · Oct 19, 2017

http://www.wboc.com/story/36636275/maryland-state-police-investigate-stun-gun-robbery

The victim described the suspects as black males who were 13 to 16 years old.

Starting a life of crime pretty early.

Now just imagine a different outcome if the victim had constitutional carry.

lee2 · Oct 19, 2017

adit said:
http://www.wboc.com/story/36636275/maryland-state-police-investigate-stun-gun-robbery

Starting a life of crime pretty early.

Now just imagine a different outcome if the victim had constitutional carry.

My guess is that they are already in the system and are just doing what comes with no morality.

adit · Oct 19, 2017

I lived in Harford Square from '72-'78. Meadowhood destroyed that area. We couldn't get out quick enough.

cowboy321 · Oct 19, 2017

adit said:
http://www.wboc.com/story/36636275/maryland-state-police-investigate-stun-gun-robbery

Starting a life of crime pretty early.

Now just imagine a different outcome if the victim had constitutional carry.

I can imagine the thugs getting a handgun from the robbery. Shooting two teens armed with a non lethal weapon may not turn out well in the courts.

Inigoes · Oct 19, 2017

cowboy321 said:
I can imagine the thugs getting a handgun from the robbery. Shooting two teens armed with a non lethal weapon may not turn out well in the courts.

After the first punch was thrown, lethal force was authorized.

No one would have known about a stun gun until they were inventoried for the morgue.

cowboy321 · Oct 19, 2017

Inigoes said:
After the first punch was thrown, lethal force was authorized.

No one would have known about a stun gun until they were inventoried for the morgue.

Maybe in Afghanistan you can shoot a 17 year old who punches you. Try it in Maryland. Lethal force? Not gonna work. Manslaughter or second degree.

MaxVO2 · Oct 19, 2017

cowboy321 said:
Maybe in Afghanistan you can shoot a 17 year old who punches you. Try it in Maryland. Lethal force? Not gonna work. Manslaughter or second degree.

****I was kinda thinking the same thing. Disparate power, gun versus kid who was getting his life back in order and thinking of applying to Med school, etc..

Inigoes · Oct 20, 2017

cowboy321 said:
Maybe in Afghanistan you can shoot a 17 year old who punches you. Try it in Maryland. Lethal force? Not gonna work. Manslaughter or second degree.

MaxVO2 said:
****I was kinda thinking the same thing. Disparate power, gun versus kid who was getting his life back in order and thinking of applying to Med school, etc..

Anyone would immediately fear for their life at the initial point of contact in the attack. You have just been assaulted out of the blue and in public.

You do not know what the bad guy is going to do next, because everything is happening so fast.

This is the point where your brain turns off and your fight/flight response kicks in. You will not have time to think about what is happening to you, unless you lie down and endure what ever is being dished out. If you are lucky, you "might" (there odds are not good) survive the attack.

rseymorejr · Oct 20, 2017

cowboy321 said:
Maybe in Afghanistan you can shoot a 17 year old who punches you. Try it in Maryland. Lethal force? Not gonna work. Manslaughter or second degree.

You are aware of the violent felonies being committed by 13 and 14 year olds in Baltimore everyday, right?

cowboy321 · Oct 20, 2017

rseymorejr said:
You are aware of the violent felonies being committed by 13 and 14 year olds in Baltimore everyday, right?

Yes. But a bad idea to kill one of them.

Inigoes · Oct 20, 2017

cowboy321 said:
Yes. But a bad idea to kill one of them.

No one said anything of killing anyone else.

Stopping the threat/attack is the goal.

If the perp breaks contact, that is the end of it.

If you manage to break contact and the perp does not pursue, that is the end of it.

If the perp dies as a result of their bad choice, so be it.

Using lethal force is not the same as killing someone, they may survive their incapacitating injury.

cowboy321 · Oct 20, 2017

Inigoes said:
Anyone would immediately fear for their life at the initial point of contact in the attack. You have just been assaulted out of the blue and in public.

You do not know what the bad guy is going to do next, because everything is happening so fast.

This is the point where your brain turns off and your fight/flight response kicks in. You will not have time to think about what is happening to you, unless you lie down and endure what ever is being dished out. If you are lucky, you "might" (there odds are not good) survive the attack.

If you shoot someone in MD, make sure it is in your house and that he is armed. Even better if he is not a teeny bopper. The idea of deploying a firearm in public requires something really extreme. Two punks with a Taser? Good luck with the jury for the criminal trial and with damages for the civil trial. Just giving you a likely outcome in Md assuming you shot and kill a teenager.

cowboy321 · Oct 20, 2017

Inigoes said:
No one said anything of killing anyone else.

Stopping the threat/attack is the goal.

If the perp breaks contact, that is the end of it.

If you manage to break contact and the perp does not pursue, that is the end of it.

If the perp dies as a result of their bad choice, so be it.

Using lethal force is not the same as killing someone, they may survive their incapacitating injury.

Good point.

Inigoes · Oct 20, 2017

cowboy321 said:
If you shoot someone in MD, make sure it is in your house and that he is armed. Even better if he is not a teeny bopper. The idea of deploying a firearm in public requires something really extreme. Two punks with a Taser? Good luck with the jury for the criminal trial and with damages for the civil trial. Just giving you a likely outcome in Md.

Are you a lawyer?

If you are home which is totally different than the OPs scenario, because you have no duty to retreat like in public.

Once the door flies open, or the glass breaks. You have every right to defend yourself, the perp would be up to no good and you have plenty of reason to fear for your life. Oh Yeah, Maryland has Civil immunity. Check it out.

PapiBarcelona · Oct 20, 2017

cowboy321 said:
If you shoot someone in MD, make sure it is in your house and that he is armed. Even better if he is not a teeny bopper. The idea of deploying a firearm in public requires something really extreme. Two punks with a Taser? Good luck with the jury for the criminal trial and with damages for the civil trial. Just giving you a likely outcome in Md assuming you shot and kill a teenager.

What do you suggest if a home intruder is not armed? Perhaps he has a utility knife. Can I only defend myself with the same size utility knife?

How much do you charge for legal advice?

Inigoes · Oct 20, 2017

cowboy321 said:
Good point.

obtw,

Stun guns can kill, "less than lethal" is a misnomer

https://www.livescience.com/36418-tasers-kill-cardiac-arrest-stun-gun.html

cowboy321 · Oct 20, 2017

PapiBarcelona said:
What do you suggest if a home intruder is not armed? Perhaps he has a utility knife. Can I only defend myself with the same size utility knife?

How much do you charge for legal advice?

If a perp is stealing your TV and you shoot him in the back as he is leaving, you are probably going to jail. If you have reasonable fear of serious bodily harm you can shoot. You cannot use Lethal force to protect your TV, as an example. You can in Texas..

Inigoes · Oct 20, 2017

cowboy321 said:
If a perp is stealing your TV and you shoot him in the back as he is leaving, you are probably going to jail. If you have reasonable fear of serious bodily harm you can shoot. You cannot use Lethal force to protect your TV, as an example. You can in Texas..

Yes you can, especially if you see a sharp object in the prep's hand, or the perp mutters "I am going to kill you".

On that note, you will have a little more explaining to do, if you plug him in the back, "because he was turning in your direction".

No matter what, there will be an investigation.

PapiBarcelona · Oct 20, 2017

What a train wreck of a thread.

The article doesn't have kids running out the store with stolen TV. Evidently they got to jump on some random dude to use punches and a what I guess is a handheld taser.

What if this victim was a martial arts master and just with one Mortal Kombat round house kick, a perp died? Let's take the gun out of the equation.

These weren't kids throwing snowballs at you.

I don't see why the TOOL or METHOD matters as long as it's justified self defense.

Brychan · Oct 20, 2017

You know if you are under attack, afraid of injury or death you do what ever you have to, damn the consequences. You don't stop to ask for id, so you can make sure the attacker is old enough to defend against, you don't say oh well it's only a taser, or I can take a beating rather than deal with the legal system.

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