Alabama Constitutional Carry Bill

Tungsten · Apr 25, 2017

Pstango said:
Born there, lived there as a kid, and I certainly love the state as a whole, but man the humidity and heat!! Would love to return, but I can't take the heat anymore.

Same here. The older I get, the less I can deal with that level of heat and humidity.

DC-W · Apr 27, 2017

Give it up for BASED Jefferson County Sheriff, Mike Hale.

Police flood Alabama Capitol, ask lawmakers to keep concealed carry permit requirement
http://abc3340.com/news/local/polic...rs-to-keep-concealed-carry-permit-requirement

press1280 · Apr 28, 2017

DC-W said:
Give it up for BASED Jefferson County Sheriff, Mike Hale.

Police flood Alabama Capitol, ask lawmakers to keep concealed carry permit requirement
http://abc3340.com/news/local/polic...rs-to-keep-concealed-carry-permit-requirement

Glad that someone is bucking their union. On a side note, how many LEOs were on duty and being paid to speak against your rights?

balttigger · Apr 28, 2017

CrueChief said:
This is the 5th state to submit a bill so far this year.

Alabama
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Virginia
Minnesota

Kentucky makes 6

And Texas makes 7

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article141353158.html

jbrown50 · Apr 28, 2017

DC-W said:
Give it up for BASED Jefferson County Sheriff, Mike Hale.

Police flood Alabama Capitol, ask lawmakers to keep concealed carry permit requirement
http://abc3340.com/news/local/polic...rs-to-keep-concealed-carry-permit-requirement

Cook spoke on behalf of the Police Chief's Association, where he serves as vice president.

The police chiefs are political appointees. A county sheriff is not. I would bet that the majority of rank and file officers support the bill and constitutional carry.

swinokur · Apr 28, 2017

As I have stated, the majority of Alabama Sheriffs don't even have a training requirement for CCW issuance.

So I guess safety isn't as important as the sheriffs and chiefs claim it to be..

This is just political posturing.

DC-W · Apr 28, 2017

jbrown50 said:
The police chiefs are political appointees. A county sheriff is not. I would bet that the majority of rank and file officers support the bill and constitutional carry.

Most of the sheriffs oppose the move.

swinokur · Apr 28, 2017

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

EXACTLY

Biggfoot44 · Apr 28, 2017

In Al , Permits are issued at the county level, and each sheriff sets the fees .

10 or 12yr ago, this ended up putting Al into the thumbs up catagory, with every Sheriff Shall Issueing in practice, even before Shall Issue was codified in state law.

Now, we are most of the way through the 2010' s , and the 2A landscape has changed. Con Carry is a real thing, not an unobtainable pipedream of gun cranks and Constitution nerds. Meanwhile , the CCW revenue stream may seem modest in terms of Agency budgets around here, in rural Alabama, that's a meaningful chunk of an annual budget.

Biggfoot44 · Apr 28, 2017

I'm all for absoloutist 2A , but I'll share an example of why some CLEO who legitimately consider themselves pro-2A want a veto capability. This isn't Ala, but a small rural state with long history of Shall Issue.

The particular individual at aprox 16yo exchanges shots with LE , and has 4hr barricaded standoff with State Police SWAT team. Gets convicted *as a juvenile* . The week he turns 21, he applies for CCW. ( This state doesn't have juvie offenders prohibited until 30 provision like Md.) His local Chief of Police turns him down, citing his tendencies to engage in gunfights with LE . This is only known disapproval in that part of the state within cumulative institutional memory.

JC92 · Apr 28, 2017

Biggfoot44 said:
I'm all for absoloutist 2A , but I'll share an example of why some CLEO who legitimately consider themselves pro-2A want a veto capability. This isn't Ala, but a small rural state with long history of Shall Issue.

The particular individual at aprox 16yo exchanges shots with LE , and has 4hr barricaded standoff with State Police SWAT team. Gets convicted *as a juvenile* . The week he turns 21, he applies for CCW. ( This state doesn't have juvie offenders prohibited until 30 provision like Md.) His local Chief of Police turns him down, citing his tendencies to engage in gunfights with LE . This is only known disapproval in that part of the state within cumulative institutional memory.

I appreciate your story, but recognize that this example has no application to the argument at hand. For example, indulge the following story that replaces the CCW activity with another activity:

"Person A is denied the opportunity to open a bank account because Person A has a past conviction of robbing banks."

The presence of bank account has no relation to whether Person A will rob a bank.

Similarly, possession of a CCW permit has no bearing as to whether a person will decide to engage in a gun fight with LEO.

press1280 · May 19, 2017

Looks like this is going to die: http://www.alreporter.com/2017/05/15/four-days-left-legislative-session/

This article shows how the fix was in: http://weldbham.com/blog/2017/05/17/death-alabama-gun-bill/#

History has shown that similar bills often land in that subcommittee, and Chamblee had worked to secure a vote with the chair, Rep. Allen Treadaway, who also serves as captain of the Birmingham Police Department East Precinct. That’s where the gun bill died.

In an internal email published by AL.com, Bobby Timmons, who has served as the executive director of the Alabama Sheriff’s Association since 1975, urged members to vote against any legislation that would reduce pistol permit funds. “NOW IS THE TIME TO TALK TO YOUR LEGISLATOR. DO NOT PUT IT OFF IF YOU VALUE YOUR PERMIT FUND,” Timmons wrote.

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