I don't disagree, as already posted. Still doesn't matter. The OP is a MD resident. His father is a TX resident. If his father owns the long gun, then a FTF transaction in is illegal in any state per federal law, unless the OP has his C&R FFL and since the long gun in question qualifies as C&R.
Question on Picking up C&R from Dad in Texas
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I don't disagree, as already posted. Still doesn't matter. The OP is a MD resident. His father is a TX resident. If his father owns the long gun, then a FTF transaction in is illegal in any state per federal law, unless the OP has his C&R FFL and since the long gun in question qualifies as C&R.
Define temporary. He can borrow it from his Father until he has his C&R License or can transfer legal ownership in some other way. Temporary can be 1 week or 5 years as far as I am concerned.
Abulg1972
Ultimate Member
In all honesty, I would have him ship it to you once you get your 03. I'll bet you will save money over bringing it back with you.
Think about it. Depending on how you package it, it will cost approx $25 to ship a long gun from TX to MD via UPS. If you have your license, he can ship directly to you. No dealer fees. You have a very nice gun for $25.
If you bring it back: Transfer fee in TX (approx $25); depending on which airline you fly, $25 baggage fee; unless your dad has a case, $200 for a TSA-proof locking case (or, if you have one, strike that but add a $25 baggage fee on the outbound flight).
Think about it. Depending on how you package it, it will cost approx $25 to ship a long gun from TX to MD via UPS. If you have your license, he can ship directly to you. No dealer fees. You have a very nice gun for $25.
If you bring it back: Transfer fee in TX (approx $25); depending on which airline you fly, $25 baggage fee; unless your dad has a case, $200 for a TSA-proof locking case (or, if you have one, strike that but add a $25 baggage fee on the outbound flight).
Machodoc
Old Guy
You're right. It should be completely unnecessary.
I believe in obeying laws, but so long as you and your dad agree that it was your gun before you left your home in TX, and TX did not require any sort of registration for transfer then, you are just going back to retrieve it like any other piece of property that you left in his safekeeping.
Jeez ... I had property that was left in the storage areas of the family home that I didn't retrieve until my parents were getting ready to sell in in anticipation of moving into a retirement community, and that was 30 years after I moved from their house.
Abulg1972
Ultimate Member
It's all about intent at the time of transfer . . .
If you want to roll the dice with your freedom and your collection, be my guest. Take my advice for what you think it's worth. YMMV.
TxAggie
Ultimate Member
Machodoc
Old Guy
Hey ... OP ... I get what you are saying, and understood it when you said "family gun" in the original posting. Maybe it's just a Southern thing, and only Chuck and Sweet Marys counties are still Southern in MD.
I can't imagine the storm troopers beating down your door, nor a court quibbling over when, precisely, your dad said, "I want this to be yours." I believe in following the laws, even if it costs me extra cash, but in this case, the intent clearly was that this was your rifle before you left home in TX, it was stored there for safekeeping, and now you are simply retrieving your property.
The transfer, whenever in the past it happened, did not require any registration, NICS check, etc., so no laws are being broken. I don't think you have to be "loaned" your own property.
I can't imagine the storm troopers beating down your door, nor a court quibbling over when, precisely, your dad said, "I want this to be yours." I believe in following the laws, even if it costs me extra cash, but in this case, the intent clearly was that this was your rifle before you left home in TX, it was stored there for safekeeping, and now you are simply retrieving your property.
The transfer, whenever in the past it happened, did not require any registration, NICS check, etc., so no laws are being broken. I don't think you have to be "loaned" your own property.
Abulg1972
Ultimate Member
Machodoc - Generally speaking, I don't disagree with you. The problem is, however, that things have now been posted publicly. Long ago, I brought back firearms from my father that I bought when I lived with him but kept at his house when I went to school, etc. and that he kept/took with him when he moved. In those cases, I wouldn't argue with you. But, when there is any doubt, when memories are fuzzy, when our already-infringed freedom and our collections are on the line, it's just not worth the $25 IMO.
TxAggie
Ultimate Member
This actually makes the most sense, thank you. The main issue with him sending it himself is that he lives 30 miles from the nearest UPS and their hours are a bit quirky.
So if I do the transfer pre-C&R in TX, we do the transfer in TX?
But if he ships here post C&R it comes straight to my house?
Sorry for the redundant questions, but I do want to do this the right way.
Abulg1972
Ultimate Member
No worries my friend.
TxAggie
Ultimate Member
And he kept them there because my intent was to move back to Texas. Unfortunately his health isn't all that great and I'm not returning anytime soon.
Machodoc
Old Guy
If, after you get your C&R, and since it's a long rifle, the thing can be shipped USPS. If you decide to go that route, take the time when you are there to buy a hard case and a cardboard box for it to fit into. Then pack it up, put your address on it, and take it to the post office. Get the right postage for it put onto the package, but either don't seal it completely or get one of those stick-on plastic shipping paperwork envelopes to go with it.
In short, do everything BUT actually seal it up and ship it.
Then, when you have your C&R, send your dad a copy. He can slip it into the box (or attach it, folded up so you can't read it, in the shipping envelope), seal up the package, and ask the mail carrier to pick it up.
I still wouldn't hesitate to just bring my gun home, though.
It's a damn shame that law abiding people have to go through all of this just to try and comply with all these stupid laws. It should not have to be this complicated.
Machodoc
Old Guy
No kidding! If we were law-breaking gang bangers, we'd just buy the gun from the pool of unregistered, stolen, whatever, firearms and be done with it. But the politicians, whoring to get votes from anti-gun folks who can't grasp that concept, and unable to control the law breakers and lunatics, put on a show of "taking action" by making our lives more difficult.
Abulg1972
Ultimate Member
TxAggie
Ultimate Member
Lol!
Unfortunately it's probably not worth a whole lot as a collector. While looking at it last summer I posted pics of it and it turns out it is a low serial number Rock River. Apparently these have questionable metalwork and are recommended to not be fired.
Abulg1972
Ultimate Member
Research and draw your own conclusions. Don't believe everything you read on the Interwebz.
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mgbill
Active Member
We all know you meant "Rock Island" and not Rock River. But that would be a nifty rumor to get started..."low serial number Rock Rivers will blow up..."
