36 yard zero?

pilot25 · Oct 12, 2018

https://www.vigilanceelite.com/blogs/vigilance-elite-blogs/36-yard-zero

This guy is not very eloquent but I get what he is saying. Anyone ever use 36 yard zero?

OSOK1776 · Oct 12, 2018

pilot25 said:
https://www.vigilanceelite.com/blogs/vigilance-elite-blogs/36-yard-zero

This guy is not very eloquent but I get what he is saying. Anyone ever use 36 yard zero?

I have watched his videos for quite some time. He posts some decent stuff here and there but nothing that is mind blowing. That said this video makes complete sense.

CrazySanMan · Oct 12, 2018

I always use 20. Haven't heard of 36 before this.

pilot25 · Oct 12, 2018

KrisM said:
I have watched his videos for quite some time. He posts some decent stuff here and there but nothing that is mind blowing. That said this video makes complete sense.

He was on Marcus Luttrell's podcast so I was intrigued by his story and went to his website. He clearly hates being on camera but realizes he needs to "market" himself and his company. His information is really good but sometimes difficult to get through the presentation of it.

Yoshi · Oct 12, 2018

I run a 36/300 zero. By far my favorite. Aim 2" high until 36yds and then it's a laser out to 300. If you don't plan on taking headshots, my opinion is that the 2" doesn't matter if aiming center mass.

Biggfoot44 · Oct 12, 2018

For those who haven't clicked the link, the topic is 5.56 Carbines .

The general concept makes sense . A 50yd zero is a fairly common approach for this . To me would be my choice .

It's all a trade off of how much offset at mid ranges you are willing to accept in exchange of a few yards farther on the far end without having to think about holdovers .

Added - Typing simultaneously , Yoshi is happy with the extra midrange trajectory to gain 50-ish of ignoring holdovers . I place more emphasis on precision at presumably more common distances, and am willing to hold a cpl inches high at 300 for ( presumably less frequent and more deliberate shots ) .

But 36, or 50, or anything inbetween is definitely better than 25yd .

Double added - FWIW , I do like 37yds for .22lr rifles, but that's a totally different thing .

danb · Oct 12, 2018

A lot of people suggest a 25 to 35 (or in this case 36) yard zero, and if you look at a ballistics chart and "point blank range", this makes sense.

However some points from my experience:

* your rifle is likely to shoot one hole or cloverleafs at 36 yards, even if it's off by 4" or more at 200 yards. Even if you are off .25" (about the diameter of the bullet) you could still be way off at 200yds.
* "36 yards" is very load and sight-height specific . +/-200 fps will make a difference.Note how raising your sight height from 1.5" to 2.5" moves the near zero from 29 yards to 45 yards! (see below). factory loads for a carbine vary widely. How precisely do you know your sight height??

here are some PBR calculations (see here: http://www.shooterscalculator.com/point-blank-range.php?df=G1&bc=0.48&vi=2800&sh=2.5&ts=4)
sight height: 1.5"
fps: 2800
Near Zero: 29 yards
Far Zero: 203 yards

sight height: 2.5"
fps: 2800
Minimum PBR: 0 yards
Maximum PBR: 238 yards

Near Zero: 45 yards
Far Zero: 218 yards
Minimum PBR: 7 yards
Maximum PBR: 252 yards
Sight-in at 100yds: 1.69" hig

sight height: 1.5"
Fps: 3000
Near Zero: 31 yards
Far Zero: 218 yards
Minimum PBR: 0 yards
Maximum PBR: 254 yards
Sight-in at 100yds: 1.89" high

The bottom line, IMO, is that sight in at the longest distance you can.
If you only have access to a 50 yard range, this this is clearly the best you can do. But my 0.02 is to sight in the farthest you can for point blank range. The closer-in zero will "fix itself" at 25,36, 33.5 or whatever # yards.

Invicta · Oct 12, 2018

I was interested after the video and I can see the concept of using it, but I'll stick with 50/200 for now.

As for Shawn (and Vigilance Elite), dont let his presentation deter you. He has made comments that he is uncomfortable in front of the camera, but he puts out good content and it is definitely worth watching.

pilot25 · Oct 12, 2018

Invicta said:
I was interested after the video and I can see the concept of using it, but I'll stick with 50/200 for now.

As for Shawn (and Vigilance Elite), dont let his presentation deter you. He has made comments that he is uncomfortable in front of the camera, but he puts out good content and it is definitely worth watching.

He has gotten a lot better over the last year. I did see him do a funny sit down where he read a viewer comment about him saying, "um" all the time. He readily admitted he hates being on camera.

If you have a chance, listen to his interview on Team Never Quit podcast. It's one of many stories of guys who get out of the military. They are lost and become suicidal.

It's a great interview. One of my favorite podcasts.

wilcam47 · Oct 12, 2018

https://www.weapon-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/M4-25m-Zero.pdf

daNattyFatty · Oct 12, 2018

I wish his YouTube channel had more “technical” stuff like this. While I enjoy the stories, I would prefer more tips.

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erwos · Oct 17, 2018

36yd zero is definitely my favorite for 5.56 guns with reflex sights. With scopes and certain rear irons, you're sometimes forced into using other zeroes.

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