3/4/2020 Gun Bills

Art3 · Mar 3, 2020

Just finished up my testimony for 3/3 (nothing like cramming before the big test, right?) and took a quick peek at the long list of bills for 3/4.

Why are we opposing the theft reporting bills (HB591 and HB1501)? I'm not sure I can come up with testimony that I fully believe in good faith. Reporting stolen guns should be a prority, right :shrug:

Also, who's going? :mdpatriot

smokey · Mar 3, 2020

Art3 said:
Just finished up my testimony for 3/3 (nothing like cramming before the big test, right?) and took a quick peek at the long list of bills for 3/4.

Why are we opposing the theft reporting bills (HB591 and HB1501)? I'm not sure I can come up with testimony that I fully believe in good faith. Reporting stolen guns should be a prority, right

Also, who's going?

Why is it a bad thing to make the victim of a crime potentially have to go to jail for not reporting the crime against him/her in time? Should we be fining women and/or tossing them in jail for not reporting a rape against them in some arbitrary time constraint? What other crimes can you be a victim of, and then be tossed in jail for a year with a $2000 fine if you just don't report it within 48 hours? This is using state force to punish the victims of crime, not the criminals carrying out the crime.

adit · Mar 3, 2020

smokey0118 said:
Why is it a bad thing to make the victim of a crime potentially have to go to jail for not reporting the crime against him/her in time? Should we be fining women and/or tossing them in jail for not reporting a rape against them in some arbitrary time constraint? What other crimes can you be a victim of, and then be tossed in jail for a year with a $2000 fine if you just don't report it within 48 hours? This is using state force to punish the victims of crime, not the criminals carrying out the crime.

Does that make to 2A prohibited in MD as well?

Sirex · Mar 3, 2020

Art3 said:
Just finished up my testimony for 3/3 (nothing like cramming before the big test, right?) and took a quick peek at the long list of bills for 3/4.

Why are we opposing the theft reporting bills (HB591 and HB1501)? I'm not sure I can come up with testimony that I fully believe in good faith. Reporting stolen guns should be a prority, right

Also, who's going?

Liability. Suppose someone steals your car, either at night, or while it is at the shop. You are unaware it is stolen and used in a crime. A robbery, hit and run, vehicular homicide, you get the cops banging on your door at 3AM, dragging you out into the back of a squad car. Sounds crazy right? But this exact scenario happened to a buddy of mine.

Of course it is our best interest to report stolen guns, but many of us have so many, and duplictes, it may take a while to realize they are gone. Futhermore, they are putting the burden of responsibility on the victims. Don't be misguided, this is intentional. They want to punish gun owners. That's one reason they treat stealing a gun or a prohibited person in possession of one as a misdemeanor, with 6 month sentence, but worded the penalties for private transfers in SB1261 to be a felony and 5 years. The burden of responsibility should NOT be on a victim of theft, but directly on the punks who steal them, but they don't want to toughen the laws for that because it will anger their constituents.

Moon · Mar 3, 2020

Art3 said:
Just finished up my testimony for 3/3 (nothing like cramming before the big test, right?) and took a quick peek at the long list of bills for 3/4.

Why are we opposing the theft reporting bills (HB591 and HB1501)?

For the same reason I would oppose a requirement to report the theft of a gas can or propane tank out of my yard, or an ax, or a chain saw. I should not have to bring the government or its agents into my life for doing nothing wrong.

welder516 · Mar 3, 2020

The one thing i hate is a time frame on reporting , what about persons that don't know someone stole something from them . And never report it in the time requested by law .

Art3 · Mar 3, 2020

To be clear, reporting is already required, and the countdown to having to report begins when the loss or theft is discovered. If your guns are stolen on the second day of your week long vacation, you have 72 hours to report it after you come home and discover the theft, not from when it happened. That is already law.

These bills shorten the timeframe from 72 to 48 hours after discovery of the loss, and increase penalties for missing the deadline.

Skipjacks · Mar 3, 2020

Art3 said:
To be clear, reporting is already required, and the countdown to having to report begins when the loss or theft is discovered. If your guns are stolen on the second day of your week long vacation, you have 72 hours to report it after you come home and discover the theft, not from when it happened. That is already law.

These bills shorten the timeframe from 72 to 48 hours after discovery of the loss, and increase penalties for missing the deadline.

This is what is dumb about these laws

They make crimes out of stuff they can't possibly prove in court

Cops - We found your gun at a homicide. What do you know about it

Citizen - That gun was stolen in 1973

Cops - Hope come you didn't report it within 48 hours of finding out about the theft?

Citizen - I did. I just found out an hour ago when it wasn't in the safe I last opened in 1973. I am reporting it no, 47 hours before my legal deadline.

lazarus · Mar 3, 2020

The rationale is more that you can’t try to claim later that is gun was stolen when you in fact transferred it to someone. Probably secondary reasoning is cops want to know that a thief is likely armed now.

Hence the time line. But 72hrs seems plenty. My bigger concern would be how cops treat you. If I realize on vacation my house was broken in to, I might not be able to determine what was taken for days. I can see cops giving a hard time that you were aware of a break in (and maybe even reported it), but didn’t report the stolen fire arms for days or weeks.

Art3 · Mar 4, 2020

I've come up with some lukewarm oppositional testimony for both...I'm here, I might as well say something :shrug:

Art3 · Mar 4, 2020

Saw most of the regulars here :mdpatriot

Anyone else coming?

jefflac02 · Mar 4, 2020

Art3 said:
Saw most of the regulars here Anyone else coming?

I’m on my way. Headed off the mountain now. Won’t be there until 2 pm. Hoping I don’t miss much action.

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Art3 · Mar 4, 2020

There are a bunch of bills, in addition to all the firearms ones. I doubt you'll miss all of them, even if they start with ours...which I also doubt. I suspect another lonnng day.

jefflac02 · Mar 4, 2020

Art3 said:
There are a bunch of bills, in addition to all the firearms ones. I doubt you'll miss all of them, even if they start with ours...which I also doubt. I suspect another lonnng day.

Could you post the order of the bills when they get posted? And would you save a fellow patriot a seat if you are able? I don’t take up much room and you can stick me next to a mommy as a buffer If you want

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Deep Lurker · Mar 4, 2020

And to think that they do this to themselves:

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Art3 · Mar 4, 2020

Jefflac said:
Could you post the order of the bills when they get posted? And would you save a fellow patriot a seat if you are able? I don’t take up much room and you can stick me next to a mommy as a buffer If you want

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I'll get the order, but that doesn't mean they'll follow it. I'll try to save a seat...but no promises. :fingerscrossed:

MJD438 · Mar 4, 2020

2 minute testimony time limit

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Art3 · Mar 4, 2020

Proposed order:

MJD438 · Mar 4, 2020

Proposed order

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Deep Lurker · Mar 4, 2020

They want to speak to the manager!

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/karens-for-gun-control-demand-to-speak-to-the-manager/

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